With your suggestion you'll still have to rely on lines being drawn. It'll just be the heel of the attacker rather than the furthest forward point.Maybe time to change the rule to say if any part of the attackers body is in line with the defender he is onside.
Clear and obvious errors don't apply to offside. It's black and white. Yesterday was poor on Coventry.
Then you just move the debate to "it's not close enough to be classed as noticeable".These offside decisions are total nonsense. You could just move one frame back or forward and also slightly skew your line drawing to change the decision very easily. If it is noticeable offside then fine, otherwise it’s in favour of the attacker.
Did you really type that last paragraph? Are you being sarcastic?the wrong end of the decision, and because lots of people hate Man United, people are outraged about it.
Nevertheless, he was offside. VAR did its job.
If that's a Celtic goal in an Old Firm match which is correctly ruled out using VAR, I doubt anyone on here would be complaining that VAR is ruining the game.
It wasn't a goal. It was offside.This needs reviewed. Fans and audiences are being cheated out of goals because of ridiculous rulings.
Off side originated to stop the attacker poaching or gaining an advantage etc.
In the case like the Coventry one it is actually scandalous that players and fans are denied a goal in these circumstances.
As the "rules" stand, yes.It wasn't a goal. It was offside.
Why should the other team (in this case Man United) be punished?
It was up to the Coventry player to time his run correctly and remain onside. He failed to do that.
You'd still have controversy over whether the back of the striker's heel was level, as opposed to whether his toenail was offside currently.Honestly even with the lines I still can't tell if the Coventry player is off or not.
I do like wengers idea that if any part of you is level you're onside
Suppose I just don't see how the Coventry player being a mm offside gains him any advantage. We want to see exciting goal filled games but the authorities seem to be doing their best to find ways to chop them offYou'd still have controversy over whether the back of the striker's heel was level, as opposed to whether his toenail was offside currently.
Those demanding goals would say "his heel was almost level, there must have only been half an inch in it".
Doesn't matter. Offside is offside.
If we want goals, then it's up to the players involved to score goals within the laws of the game.Suppose I just don't see how the Coventry player being a mm offside gains him any advantage. We want to see exciting goal filled games but the authorities seem to be doing their best to find ways to chop them off
Under the rules its correct so no issues with it being disallowed my point is has the Coventry player really gained any advantage? Even if he was onside the passage of play ends the same way.Had Man U scored that score and it stood folk would be greetin about it.
It's only because of the teams involved.
If we lost the league due to a decision like that I'm sure all the advocates on here for tolerances would be showing absolutely no tolerance.
It might be worth bringing in a challenge system like they have in tennis.It appears that VAR is merely creating more questions than answers.
You could argue that, if a player is only an inch offside, he hasn't gained an advantage.Under the rules its correct so no issues with it being disallowed my point is has the Coventry player really gained any advantage? Even if he was onside the passage of play ends the same way.
It might be worth bringing in a challenge system like they have in tennis.
Each manager could be given three challenges per match. Wrongly contest a referee's decision and you lose one challenge. So, if you do that three times you can no longer make any challenges in that match.
If however VAR indicates that the referee got it wrong and the challenging manager was correct, then that manager does not lose a challenge. For example, if that was his first challenge and he is correct, he still has three challenges remaining.
With this system the game is only paused for a VAR review at the request of a manager. If they take the piss and challenge everything, no matter how spurious, then they'll end up with no challenges left.
If it isn't obvious in real time that the player was definitely onside, then the game will still have to be paused.The Wenger offside law being introduced in 2024-25 is a possibility.IF the attacker’s entire body completely overtakes the last defender; it’s offside.But, if a small part of the attacker’s body is ‘offside’, it WON’T be considered offside anymore
Depends on whether you prioritise fairness or entertainment.It just isnt better than the old system. There are as many debates about big calls with VAR as there was before it was implemented. All with the additional penaltly of massive delays, confusion for fans in the ground and the death of spontaneous joy and celebration.
No one will convince me this has been an improvement or worth it. And i'm not interested in arguing the toss about specific incidents involving us. I'm talking about the game in general and its future.
No-one is disputing that.He was offside.
People are letting their heart rule their head on this one. Because it was plucky Coventry who were on the wrong end of the decision, and because lots of people hate Man United, people are outraged about it.
Nevertheless, he was offside. VAR did its job.
If that's a Celtic goal in an Old Firm match which is correctly ruled out using VAR, I doubt anyone on here would be complaining that VAR is ruining the game.
Depending on the frame rate of the equipment.Offside is offside
The clear and obvious part of VAR is only meant to apply to subjective decisions - not objective decisions like offsideNo-one is disputing that.
But VAR was set up to pick up 'clear and obvious errors'. Not to re-referee a game. Which is what most of us are unhappy about. That incident wasn`t a clear error.
With VAR - I don't think anyone has been "level".Maybe time to change the rule to say if any part of the attackers body is in line with the defender he is onside.
Clear and obvious errors don't apply to offside. It's black and white. Yesterday was poor on Coventry.
He was offside.
People are letting their heart rule their head on this one. Because it was plucky Coventry who were on the wrong end of the decision, and because lots of people hate Man United, people are outraged about it.
Nevertheless, he was offside. VAR did its job.
If that's a Celtic goal in an Old Firm match which is correctly ruled out using VAR, I doubt anyone on here would be complaining that VAR is ruining the game.
Quite a leap you've made there. Did I say I think that's happening? No. It was a hypothetical situation to point out people's hypocrisy around their attitudes to VAR.If that's a Celtic goal in an Old Firm match which is correctly ruled out using VAR, I doubt anyone on here would be complaining that VAR is ruining the game.
And after the evidence from last April in OF games, you think that's happening?
Jeezy fucking peeps.
Stepping out is a fundamental part of defending.If an attacker is running toward goal and a defender is facing the other way then I think there has to be some margin where the attacker is given some advantage. The game is about goals and when they are drawing lines and there is a toe or an elbow and your offside it’s neither clear nor obvious.
Quite a leap you've made there. Did I say I think that's happening? No. It was a hypothetical situation to point out people's hypocrisy around their attitudes to VAR.
By the way, cheating officials is not an argument against VAR. It's an argument in favour of it.
Keep VAR and made it more transparent by letting us hear the conversations between the referee and the VAR officials, similar to what they do in the Six Nations rugby. If everything is out in the open, it makes it harder for them to cheat.
And yet their supporters are often the ones saying that referees are biased against them. Weird.No leap at all, but I'll state quite emphatically. As long as the filth run Scottish football and they do, there will be no Six Nations type transparency. You can take that one to the bank.
All you are doing is moving the fault line. It doesn’t matter. What you need to accept is var proves right from wrong, regardless off what rules are implemented or by what marginAll they need to do is create a tolerance (say 6 inches). If the gap between the lines is within this tolerance you say its onside. Offside wasn't invented to catch someone 1 inch in front of the defense.
And yet their supporters are often the ones saying that referees are biased against them. Weird.
All you are doing is moving the fault line. It doesn’t matter. What you need to accept is var proves right from wrong, regardless off what rules are implemented or by what margin
I agree regarding the effect on spontaneous celebration, I know myself I now almost subconsciously hold back a bit with celebrating when we score unless it's an obvious certainty. First thing I do is look for the ref putting his hand to his ear. However, the circumstances of Coventry's 'goal' maybe exaggerate the VAR issue. Underdogs, Cup semi, ridiculous comeback from the dead and score a last minute winner are causing folk to lose sight of the fact that a massive proportion of VAR interventions have been correct and will hopefully continue to improve and iron out any grey areas. I am in favour of VAR but as I said above unfortunately a consequence of this is the impact on spontaneous joy. It's a tough call.It just isnt better than the old system. There are as many debates about big calls with VAR as there was before it was implemented. All with the additional penaltly of massive delays, confusion for fans in the ground and the death of spontaneous joy and celebration.
No one will convince me this has been an improvement or worth it. And i'm not interested in arguing the toss about specific incidents involving us. I'm talking about the game in general and its future.
The problem with offside using VAR is there is still human error involved.
There have been quite a few offsides that have looked dodgy in SPFL and the lines have been visibly squint or the ball hasn't been played yet on the freeze frame.
At the very least we need to get more camera's and better software up here and the big league need automatic offside that UCL use.