Club 1872 election results

No one on here fancy starting another one, just for Clarity, not me
It would attract thousands of fans if run with openness and transparency

Would need to be someone with some sort of knowledge how to run a business.
Would need to be someone who is known among a fair number of Rangers fans
Would need to be someone who is prepared to be open and transparent
Probably someone with links with ex players, other businessmen and media and politics - preferably Rangers men.

Why not you?

Can we have a Follow Follow fund which buys shares in Rangers?
 
Would need to be someone with some sort of knowledge how to run a business.
Would need to be someone who is known among a fair number of Rangers fans
Would need to be someone who is prepared to be open and transparent
Probably someone with links with ex players, other businessmen and media and politics - preferably Rangers men.

Why not you?

Can we have a Follow Follow fund which buys shares in Rangers?
popcorn at ready :D
 
Would need to be someone with some sort of knowledge how to run a business.
Would need to be someone who is known among a fair number of Rangers fans
Would need to be someone who is prepared to be open and transparent
Probably someone with links with ex players, other businessmen and media and politics - preferably Rangers men.

Why not you?

Can we have a Follow Follow fund which buys shares in Rangers?
There must be fans that run companies.
Saying that, they have day jobs which are more important.
 
Would need to be someone with some sort of knowledge how to run a business.
Would need to be someone who is known among a fair number of Rangers fans
Would need to be someone who is prepared to be open and transparent
Probably someone with links with ex players, other businessmen and media and politics - preferably Rangers men.

Why not you?

Can we have a Follow Follow fund which buys shares in Rangers?
Because I have always said I would never stand for election to a fans Board, I am not very good at committees
My son working for Rangers and my friendship with Rangers Directors and Investors would always be questioned on anything I said
Strangely enough, I think I would be pretty close to perfect building a working relationship with The Club
I am happy to help fans from the outside, but I think I would be too much of a sideshow to be involved full-time I'm too brutally honest for a lot of the thin-skinned folk in our support
Everyone should know their strengths but knowing your weak point is important. The strange thing about people is they always admire honesty until you are being honest about them
 
No doubt, but imo the money is for shares , not one off banners.

If your takings reduce by 20% and admin costs go up then to spend that sort if money is stupid imo.
Their rules state that Admin should be 5% of contributions but not like this mob to care about stupid things like rules,is it?
 
There must be fans that run companies.
Saying that, they have day jobs which are more important.
Of course, your day job is more important for your living cost but Rangers are very important to a lot of us, I'm sure there are people on here who would love to get involved but saw how our group was treated by certain posters on her that bought into the narrative that it was for self-gain and egos, not one of us were in it for either of these two but only to help the fans control their own CIC
I wonder how these posters think of their heroes in Club1872 now
 
Last year’s accounts -
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For year ended June 2023 so late again!
Total income looks like £327k down over 30% on prior year and Admin costs at £122k are about a third of income.

Previous year was a 12 month period for the shares CIC. It was 10 months for Projects CIC.
Admin costs were £59k last year up to £112k in 2023.

Doesn’t look like any Projects were undertaken.
That seems to be a very high admin costs against contributions raised,

Be interesting to see how much the staff brought in to generate income have actually raised?
I'm guessing it's a lot less than their salary?
 
I thought admin costs were to be no more than 5% of income.

Lower income means less admin duties.
I think from memory that 5% figure was increased to allow additional staff to be employed?

The admin cost against income raised is a very poor return,
Not all of their time will be taken up with fundraising so that would be accepted however to spend a third of your income on admin seems excessive,

I'm guessing here but that Income figure will be 90% existing contributions so that makes it even more of a waste
 
I think from memory that 5% figure was increased to allow additional staff to be employed?

The admin cost against income raised is a very poor return,
Not all of their time will be taken up with fundraising so that would be accepted however to spend a third of your income on admin seems excessive,

I'm guessing here but that Income figure will be 90% existing contributions so that makes it even more of a waste
Every single thing written on this thread & the MacQuarrie thread about C1872 is (diplomatic language required) hugely disappointing. It's a bloody mess & a horror show.
 
Because I have always said I would never stand for election to a fans Board, I am not very good at committees
My son working for Rangers and my friendship with Rangers Directors and Investors would always be questioned on anything I said
Strangely enough, I think I would be pretty close to perfect building a working relationship with The Club
I am happy to help fans from the outside, but I think I would be too much of a sideshow to be involved full-time I'm too brutally honest for a lot of the thin-skinned folk in our support
Everyone should know their strengths but knowing your weak point is important. The strange thing about people is they always admire honesty until you are being honest about them

At this point it would be all about getting a feel from the wider fan base about how they would feel about a new fan group seeking to buy shares in Rangers and have an influence.

If there is enough interest then getting it started would take a lot of experience and commitment. Someone - or a group of people - would need know how to set this sort of thing up and have the time to do it.

Once set up then a board can be elected to run it. You can drop out at that point if you feel are not the right person.

There must be fans that run companies.
Saying that, they have day jobs which are more important.

Time is always a factor mate.

I don't know anything about the folk who run C1872 - what they do on a day to day basis for C1872 and if they have jobs of their own. If they do have jobs and also commit their own time to C1872 then - putting aside how badly we feel they are running it - it must be hard work and takes commitment.
 
At this point it would be all about getting a feel from the wider fan base about how they would feel about a new fan group seeking to buy shares in Rangers and have an influence.

If there is enough interest then getting it started would take a lot of experience and commitment. Someone - or a group of people - would need know how to set this sort of thing up and have the time to do it.

Once set up then a board can be elected to run it. You can drop out at that point if you feel are not the right person.



Time is always a factor mate.

I don't know anything about the folk who run C1872 - what they do on a day to day basis for C1872 and if they have jobs of their own. If they do have jobs and also commit their own time to C1872 then - putting aside how badly we feel they are running it - it must be hard work and takes commitment.
It is enjoyable work if you are helping Rangers Fans
I would be happy to help with the right people
 
There must be fans that run companies.
Saying that, they have day jobs which are more important.

That was the group that Robert Marshall put together.

Two had built and run their own successful businesses
One had retired from a senior position at a leading retailer
One was a retired partner from PwC
One was the CFO of a large multinational company.
 
Last year’s accounts -
.
For year ended June 2023 so late again!
Total income looks like £327k down over 30% on prior year and Admin costs at £122k are about a third of income.

Previous year was a 12 month period for the shares CIC. It was 10 months for Projects CIC.
Admin costs were £59k last year up to £112k in 2023.

Doesn’t look like any Projects were undertaken.
 
At this point it would be all about getting a feel from the wider fan base about how they would feel about a new fan group seeking to buy shares in Rangers and have an influence.

If there is enough interest then getting it started would take a lot of experience and commitment. Someone - or a group of people - would need know how to set this sort of thing up and have the time to do it.

Once set up then a board can be elected to run it. You can drop out at that point if you feel are not the right person.



Time is always a factor mate.

I don't know anything about the folk who run C1872 - what they do on a day to day basis for C1872 and if they have jobs of their own. If they do have jobs and also commit their own time to C1872 then - putting aside how badly we feel they are running it - it must be hard work and takes commitment.
If its too much or its out of their league then maybe put their hands up and leave.
 
At this point it would be all about getting a feel from the wider fan base about how they would feel about a new fan group seeking to buy shares in Rangers and have an influence.

If there is enough interest then getting it started would take a lot of experience and commitment. Someone - or a group of people - would need know how to set this sort of thing up and have the time to do it.

Once set up then a board can be elected to run it. You can drop out at that point if you feel are not the right person.



Time is always a factor mate.

I don't know anything about the folk who run C1872 - what they do on a day to day basis for C1872 and if they have jobs of their own. If they do have jobs and also commit their own time to C1872 then - putting aside how badly we feel they are running it - it must be hard work and takes commitment.
The only hard work these charlatans done was phone the police on RM and send an email to a poster's employer to try and get him fired.
 
No one on here fancy starting another one, just for Clarity, not me
It would attract thousands of fans if run with openness and transparency
RM - I am sure there are many like me who would love to be a part of something that brought the fans together and challenged this lot.

I like many other bears I know have 20+ years experiance running businesses or working in Snr Management Roles for businesses that turnover +£300m.

It does seems to be a bit of a curse heading up these organisations though as to many think it is all about chasing blasers and sitting in the big box.

There are plenty of people who would take this on with it written in the rules ZERO personal gain - no exception but plenty would still doubt it.

I would be happy to support any cause that challenges C1872, this needs ripped apart, they are an embarrassment to all of us.

As for +£100k admin fees ?????, price of stamps must have gone up since I last bought on
 
RM - I am sure there are many like me who would love to be a part of something that brought the fans together and challenged this lot.

I like many other bears I know have 20+ years experiance running businesses or working in Snr Management Roles for businesses that turnover +£300m.

It does seems to be a bit of a curse heading up these organisations though as to many think it is all about chasing blasers and sitting in the big box.

There are plenty of people who would take this on with it written in the rules ZERO personal gain - no exception but plenty would still doubt it.

I would be happy to support any cause that challenges C1872, this needs ripped apart, they are an embarrassment to all of us.

As for +£100k admin fees ?????, price of stamps must have gone up since I last bought on
Mate there were 3 (out of 5) positions available to become a member of an organisation that currently holds over £4.5m worth of shares. Why go to the bother with what you are suggesting when there are far easier/better opportunities like the most recent elections where the biggest changes can be made. Wish people would stop writing off c1872 just because they have an issue with two individuals, seems bonkers.

Multiple reasons why we only ended up with one person putting themselves forward for election that I won't go into as it will probably get deleted.
 
Mate there were 3 (out of 5) positions available to become a member of an organisation that currently holds over £4.5m worth of shares. Why go to the bother with what you are suggesting when there are far easier/better opportunities like the most recent elections where the biggest changes can be made. Wish people would stop writing off c1872 just because they have an issue with two individuals, seems bonkers.

Multiple reasons why we only ended up with one person putting themselves forward for election that I won't go into as it will probably get deleted.
Please explain how anyone getting involved can change anything?

They will be voted against and ousted by those there already.

This is the issue. They aren't going anywhere. Their rules stink and no one can do anything.

They can and will block people they don't like and have done so.
 
Please explain how anyone getting involved can change anything?

They will be voted against and ousted by those there already.

This is the issue. They aren't going anywhere. Their rules stink and no one can do anything.

They can and will block people they don't like and have done so.
I'm not an expert on how things work internally but right away you would have had 3 members aligned against 2 (if they start taking sides). The current 3rd member is only there because no one else put themselves forward last week.

The other 2 members positions will be up for election in a year or two also. So another opportunity for further change. Sometimes you just need to play the waiting game. But, bear in mind at the end of day contributors might actually vote them back in again which is their right. Who knows as we've had next to no one put themselves forward against them now for 3+ years.

You don't need to take a sledge hammer to everything like some preferred. Last week was a perfect opportunity for change.
 
Please explain how anyone getting involved can change anything?

They will be voted against and ousted by those there already.

This is the issue. They aren't going anywhere. Their rules stink and no one can do anything.

They can and will block people they don't like and have done so.
He’s not entirely wrong though - despite the fact he and I have very different opinions on the incumbents.

Yes the incumbent directors have stacked the deck against change, and have shown they’ll indulge in some pretty disgraceful behaviour to eliminate opposition, but it’s not impossible. We got really close to unseating them despite the very long odds and the fact they had total control of the process and Contributor communications.

Writing off the whole organisation, the basis of its existence and its potential because of the actions of a handful of people isn’t the right thing to do.

I hope a number of people emerge who are prepared to put their heads above the parapet and learn from our mistakes (we played too nice in communications and, because we wanted to be transparent with the Contributors, gave them too much notice of our plans so they could get in first with their communications). But I would plead with people not to give up on the organisation, don’t terminate your Contributorship and don’t ignore elections / votes. As @Snoopproddiedogg says, there is millions of pounds of fans money gone into C1872, giving up of the organisation means all of the hard work they put in to earn that money goes to waste. And we end up further away than ever from 25%+1 and the legal protections it allows.
 
That was the group that Robert Marshall put together.

Two had built and run their own successful businesses
One had retired from a senior position at a leading retailer
One was a retired partner from PwC
One was the CFO of a large multinational company.
Indeed; not one of us needed to chase any type of blazer. And we also put in writing that the Articles we put together would make us the only 6 people in the world barred from standing as directors of C1872 in future elections.
 
He’s not entirely wrong though - despite the fact he and I have very different opinions on the incumbents.

Yes the incumbent directors have stacked the deck against change, and have shown they’ll indulge in some pretty disgraceful behaviour to eliminate opposition, but it’s not impossible. We got really close to unseating them despite the very long odds and the fact they had total control of the process and Contributor communications.

Writing off the whole organisation, the basis of its existence and its potential because of the actions of a handful of people isn’t the right thing to do.

I hope a number of people emerge who are prepared to put their heads above the parapet and learn from our mistakes (we played too nice in communications and, because we wanted to be transparent with the Contributors, gave them too much notice of our plans so they could get in first with their communications). But I would plead with people not to give up on the organisation, don’t terminate your Contributorship and don’t ignore elections / votes. As @Snoopproddiedogg says, there is millions of pounds of fans money gone into C1872, giving up of the organisation means all of the hard work they put in to earn that money goes to waste. And we end up further away than ever from 25%+1 and the legal protections it allows.
Some really good people failed.

I hope they get shifted eventually.

It will take a miracle. The damage done has probably put a great number off for good.
 
Some really good people failed.

I hope they get shifted eventually.

It will take a miracle. The damage done has probably put a great number off for good.
They’ll only get shifted if people stay engaged and continue to raise the issue.

Abandoning C1872 only ensures that nothing changes.
 
They’ll only get shifted if people stay engaged and continue to raise the issue.

Abandoning C1872 only ensures that nothing changes.
Well loads have abandoned it thanks to these people and no one has been able to get any sort of change.

As said. I hope someone manages it but not quite sure how for reasons already given earlier.

How many are on their board now?
 
Please explain how anyone getting involved can change anything?

They will be voted against and ousted by those there already.

This is the issue. They aren't going anywhere. Their rules stink and no one can do anything.

They can and will block people they don't like and have done so.
In their application form for board membership they ask for your social media accounts and usernames including any forums you are a member of, likelihood is by commenting negatively on these threads you'd be barred from standing.
 
Mate there were 3 (out of 5) positions available to become a member of an organisation that currently holds over £4.5m worth of shares. Why go to the bother with what you are suggesting when there are far easier/better opportunities like the most recent elections where the biggest changes can be made. Wish people would stop writing off c1872 just because they have an issue with two individuals, seems bonkers.

Multiple reasons why we only ended up with one person putting themselves forward for election that I won't go into as it will probably get deleted.
You were one of their chief cheerleaders and see you still refuse to condemn then, aways suspected you were either one of them or close to them
Tell me how can someone be put on the Board when they control everything
Tell us the multiple reasons.
Can you deny the current individuals have ruined the Org?
 
You were one of their chief supporters and see you still refuse to condemn then, aways suspected you were either one of them or close to them
Tell me how can someone be put on the Board when they control everything
Tell us the multiple reasons.
Can you deny the current individuals have ruined the Org?
Hang on, just because I was against how you went about trying to inflict change doesn't mean I was their chief supporters, I think you'll find I always agreed that they were failing to grow the membership and a change was required but I always thought that actions like the special resolutions should only have been used where financial irregularities have been discovered, things like failing to grow the membership or failing to hold a members meeting, during COVID, for me were issues that could be addressed when electing members. Remember how you first went about trying to inflict change before you got a decent team behind you like @LJ50 . I think sometimes you like to forget that.

Also I couldn't shake off the feeling that you were doing Park Jnr & cos bidding to scupper their deal with King. The attacks on c1872 seemed to go hand in hand with the attacks on King. Funny that eh. Jesus Christ Dave King was one of my favourite thread titles from back then ;)

I think I've always stated that it wasn't fair to pile into the organisation when it was only two people most posters had an issue with, when they could be removed via voting. All the piling on was going to do was put people off putting themselves forward for election and that's exactly what has happened.
 
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Club 1872 has to be run according to its Articles of Association. It cannot be too difficult to formally raise and record challenges in the event they are not followed to the letter. There must be a friendly Contributor prepared to monitor adherence - a lawyer perhaps? If several, or more, contributors were to be prepared to do likewise so much the better. The important fact is that every CIC company has to have an asset lock included in their articles to protect the value of the assets. This states what happens to the assets in the event the CIC ceases to exist. It is also fundamental to CICs that assets can only be disposed off for full value. I wonder if the Contributors think it worthwhile to seek more information on the costs being spent out of THEIR contributions. Not mine I stopped contributing some time ago.

I’m sure the Directors are aware of their responsibilities under CIC laws and would fully expect their cooperation in verifying they are being met. Why wouldn’t they?
 
Each to their own but I really hope the supporters who do contribute have a long hard think to themselves
 
Hang on, just because I was against how you went about trying to inflict change doesn't mean I was their chief supporters, I think you'll find I always agreed that they were failing to grow the membership and a change was required but I always thought that actions like the special resolutions should only have been used where financial irregularities have been discovered, things like failing to grow the membership or failing to hold a members meeting, during COVID, for me were issues that could be addressed when electing members. Remember how you first went about trying to inflict change before you got a decent team behind you like @LJ50 . I think sometimes you like to forget that.

Also I couldn't shake off the feeling that your were doing Park Jnr & cos bidding to scupper their deal with King. The attacks on c1872 seemed to go hand in hand with the attacks on King. Funny that eh. Jesus Christ Dave King was one of my favourite thread titles from back then ;)

I think I've always stated that it wasn't fair to pile into the organisation when it was only two people most posters had an issue with, when they could be removed via voting. All the piling in was going to do was put people off putting themselves forward for election and that's exactly what has happened.
Are you at it, how can you be voted on when we had 300 Members give me their names and wanted a vote of no confidence in the Board, and their reply was to bar us from the organization
I have said hello to Park Junior once and have never met Park senior
Why did Dave King pay Chris Graham via Rangers to control Club1872
And why did Dave King offer us 2 seats on the Club i872 Board on the condition we signed NDA's if he wasn't controlling them?
He also refused my request to have a meeting with Laura as she was too ' emotional '
Also told me if our group agreed, the two females would step down at Christmas
I was going to vote against the amalgamation of RST and RF, when someone from the Club told me that Dave wanted it, out of the respect I had for him at that time I agreed not to publicly go against it
,A decision I would not make again
RF and RST have been shafted with this, I'm getting pissed off with people like you and if anyone is up for it I would join them in helping get a new CIC off the ground with certain conditions

Once it was up and running we would be barred from standing for a director role in it,
We would have an open Election, people needing two sponsors
We would want a working relationship with the Board
We would never ask for a place on the Board
There would be no talk of Blazer chasing
No expense other than money spent on Admin
No financial reward
No seats in The directors Box via Club 1872
Meetings every three months minuted and released to members within seven days
Everything would be transparent
We would ask the Club for regular face-to-face meetings
And One member one vote for everything, and numbers released instead of % vote
And anything else that made it open and Transparent
 
Hang on, just because I was against how you went about trying to inflict change doesn't mean I was their chief supporters, I think you'll find I always agreed that they were failing to grow the membership and a change was required but I always thought that actions like the special resolutions should only have been used where financial irregularities have been discovered, things like failing to grow the membership or failing to hold a members meeting, during COVID, for me were issues that could be addressed when electing members. Remember how you first went about trying to inflict change before you got a decent team behind you like @LJ50 . I think sometimes you like to forget that.

Also I couldn't shake off the feeling that you were doing Park Jnr & cos bidding to scupper their deal with King. The attacks on c1872 seemed to go hand in hand with the attacks on King. Funny that eh. Jesus Christ Dave King was one of my favourite thread titles from back then ;)

I think I've always stated that it wasn't fair to pile into the organisation when it was only two people most posters had an issue with, when they could be removed via voting. All the piling on was going to do was put people off putting themselves forward for election and that's exactly what has happened.

We didn't need to scupper their deal with King. It was evident long before we got involved that they had no idea how to raise sufficient money to buy King's shareholding. From a C1872 perspective, that deal was dead on arrival. The only thing the deal led to was King getting effective control of C1872's shareholding votes until they were of no more use to him.
 
As with everything Rangers at the moment a complete shambolic clown fest.
When will it end.
Roll on the start of the season and hopefully the players will give us something to cheer us up. Well maybe.
 
What sort of rat bastard would try and get somebody fired from their job.

It seems to be a cabal of lowlifes who are desperately hanging on to their 5 minutes of notoriety.
Just to clarify Robert’s post, it wasn’t one email that was sent. It was several emails, all suspiciously similarly worded. In their verbose emails they said they felt it was important to make the directors of the company aware of my involvement. Only flaw is that as the CFO I was on the board so knew fine well… My fellow directors spent all of 10 seconds laughing at the emails.

It did me zero damage at all - I am now the CEO. I suspect whoever provided the text the emailers used knew it wouldn’t hurt me, but it was intended as a warning to other people who might oppose them in future. Given the number of people who have stood for election since, it appears to have worked.
 
Just to clarify Robert’s post, it wasn’t one email that was sent. It was several emails, all suspiciously similarly worded. In their verbose emails they said they felt it was important to make the directors of the company aware of my involvement. Only flaw is that as the CFO I was on the board so knew fine well… My fellow directors spent all of 10 seconds laughing at the emails.

It did me zero damage at all - I am now the CEO. I suspect whoever provided the text the emailers used knew it wouldn’t hurt me, but it was intended as a warning to other people who might oppose them in future. Given the number of people who have stood for election since, it appears to have worked.
Something needs to be done about these people, they cost Club1872 to lose probably the most gifted Board they could have got, albeit temporary
 
Just to clarify Robert’s post, it wasn’t one email that was sent. It was several emails, all suspiciously similarly worded. In their verbose emails they said they felt it was important to make the directors of the company aware of my involvement. Only flaw is that as the CFO I was on the board so knew fine well… My fellow directors spent all of 10 seconds laughing at the emails.

It did me zero damage at all - I am now the CEO. I suspect whoever provided the text the emailers used knew it wouldn’t hurt me, but it was intended as a warning to other people who might oppose them in future. Given the number of people who have stood for election since, it appears to have worked.
That is shocking behavior. To try and take someone’s career and financial security away in this context is terrible. You and the other guys who offered to help and get Club1872 back for the fans behaved like the professionals you all are throughout the whole process. You were all very open an honest.

I’m obviously glad it didn’t affect you at all LJ50.

As you have stated, it was a warning to others. It could easily be someone unable to defend themselves. It would be a major life event for some other poor soul. Thats despicable and speaks to the kind of people they are and the lengths they will go to.
 
Just to clarify Robert’s post, it wasn’t one email that was sent. It was several emails, all suspiciously similarly worded. In their verbose emails they said they felt it was important to make the directors of the company aware of my involvement. Only flaw is that as the CFO I was on the board so knew fine well… My fellow directors spent all of 10 seconds laughing at the emails.

It did me zero damage at all - I am now the CEO. I suspect whoever provided the text the emailers used knew it wouldn’t hurt me, but it was intended as a warning to other people who might oppose them in future. Given the number of people who have stood for election since, it appears to have worked.
This is absolutely shocking. To try and damage someone's career and take away their living is the lowest of the low and the behaviour of scum.
How they can look their self in the mirror is beyond me.
Glad to read that it never hindered your career path, but others may not have been so lucky.
Like many on here, I stopped contributing a few years ago and will not give another penny until the current chancers are removed.
 
This is absolutely shocking. To try and damage someone's career and take away their living is the lowest of the low and the behaviour of scum.
How they can look their self in the mirror is beyond me.
Glad to read that it never hindered your career path, but others may not have been so lucky.
Like many on here, I stopped contributing a few years ago and will not give another penny until the current chancers are removed.
They can look themselves in the mirror because everyone of their defenders give them carte blanche to do anything they see fit without any consequences.
 
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