Dynamo
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That graphic is an exampleThere clearly isn’t as much of the ball on the line as in that graphic though.
was Neuer trying to diving header that over the bar?
It can be the tiniest sliver, still not out
That graphic is an exampleThere clearly isn’t as much of the ball on the line as in that graphic though.
was Neuer trying to diving header that over the bar?
It was good but the fact Spain were so far ahead in Goal difference took some of the fun out itYou don’t find this exciting?
I'd say Morocco are a tougher game than Croatia based on what we've seen at this tournament so farDo u think Spain knew that had better chance of progress in second place as they play Morocco next and Japan play Croatia next ?
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In that scenario, Germany would have been above Japan on goal difference (by 1 goal), which counts before head-to-head.Those saying the Germans will be raging as it knocked them out. Would a draw between Spain and Japan still not have knocked Germany out as them and Japan would both have had 4 points but Japan above them on head to head.
They were out at one point with Costa Rica winning and looked to be trying to equalise so probably not.Do u think Spain knew that had better chance of progress in second place as they play Morocco next and Japan play Croatia next ?
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Germany would have went through on goals scored.
Thanks, thought it was head to head first, didn't realise it was goal difference, goals scored, then head to head.
Wouldn't that just be smart thinking/intelligent play rather than a conspiracy?Do u think Spain knew that had better chance of progress in second place as they play Morocco next and Japan play Croatia next ?
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Without revealing too much, I used to be regularly down at the MoD establishment where Hawkeye (and loads of other clever technologies now in common civilian use) was invented.Football fans are learning what tennis fans have known for years, about the whole of the ball, including its curvature, crossing the whole of the line.
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Morocco won the group on merit. Plenty people seem to be forgetting that.Wouldn't that just be smart thinking/intelligent play rather than a conspiracy?
Except the non VR shows whole ball over the line
This is a good graphic to explain it
Interesting predictionYou wonder if Spain are tempted to let Japan beat them , in order to eliminate Germany from the competition. Germany would need to then put 7 past Costa Rica to finish’s above Spain.
Irrelevant, and I'm sure Spain ain't forgetting that. They'd rather play Morocco than Croatia in a WC knock out match 100 times out of 100 if given the choice, regardless of anyone's group stage form.Morocco won the group on merit. Plenty people seem to be forgetting that.
Just struggling with the fact that Kents goal would have stood in the Europa.Football fans are learning what tennis fans have known for years, about the whole of the ball, including its curvature, crossing the whole of the line.
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What gets me is why the feck VAR final decision needs done by the on field ref. If the guys in VAR room are all qualified Grade 1 refs, and have all this tech and angles and ability to discuss with each other, why does the on field ref need to ever go look?If I were a referee, viewing the VAR images (I know this ref didn’t go and look), I’d have given a goal as it’s impossible to say for certain that the ball has fully crossed the line.
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What goal??Just struggling with the fact that Kents goal would have stood in the Europa.
If that was given against us i would be ragin, my eyes tell me its miles over.
What gets me is why the feck VAR final decision needs done by the on field ref. If the guys in VAR room are all qualified Grade 1 refs, and have all this tech and angles and ability to discuss with each other, why does the on field ref need to ever go look?
“The referee’s decision is final”.What gets me is why the feck VAR final decision needs done by the on field ref. If the guys in VAR room are all qualified Grade 1 refs, and have all this tech and angles and ability to discuss with each other, why does the on field ref need to ever go look?
But it's being re-reffed even if the original ref is the one overturning his own decision?Because the point is that games shouldn’t be re-reffed.
But it's being re-reffed even if the original ref is the one overturning his own decision?
Plus, if they're all qualified to the same standard and following the exact same ruleset and refereeing objectively, the on-field ref's decision after viewing VAR will ALWAYS be the same as the VAR room refs anyway, so it's just wasting time.
I can't think of any other job where if you make a lady's front bottom of something as proved by and agreed between multiple colleagues with equal qualifications/credentials as you but with access to more/better intel than you, they go back to you to make the final decision anyway?I agree with you just pointing out their logic
If they do watch fat arse at the Paedodome hailed as the architect of that triumph by the rags up here.Can Japan win the World Cup?
It doesn’t because it doesn’t take into account the spherical nature of the ball and the view from above showing the overhang.Except the non VR shows whole ball over the line
I actually can’t believe how many people still don’t understand this tbh. It’s been the case for a loooong time.Football fans are learning what tennis fans have known for years, about the whole of the ball, including its curvature, crossing the whole of the line.
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That image alone wouldn't even make it close to "case closed"
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Well, stranger things have happened in football like Leicester winning the premiership and Greece winning the Euros.Can Japan win the World Cup?
"would have", it's hypothetical.What goal??
How? You can clearly see it’s in play from that conclusive still.That image alone wouldn't even make it close to "case closed"
If he had scored it but he didn’t.Makes me think Kent’s sitter would have counted in Seville
They don't use hawkeye technology though do they? Given the ball has cleared the line in terms of the part touching its nothing more than a guess. You also can't guarantee that the picture has been frozen on the exact frame the ball was furthest away from the pitch. Its crap that they've overturned that decision based on trying really hard to give the goal. The original decision should have stood based on the fact that they can't prove it either way. Rugby is good in that respect.Football fans are learning what tennis fans have known for years, about the whole of the ball, including its curvature, crossing the whole of the line.
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If that was given against us i would be ragin, my eyes tell me its miles over.
Hi Doc. I hope, eventhough I am German, I am not an arrogant c..t. The team went out due to their own inabilities, no whining about a Japanese goal that might by off line. But why always these bad feelings in general. Always open for critic, but there seems some inexplicable and unnecessary undercurrents.I think a lot of posters are not understanding the following points:
Always happy to explain things.
- Due to the positioning of the cameras pictures that appear to show the ball being out from a straight on view are not actually straight on, and are from an angle giving a false position of the ball.
- The still images being shown are taken from freeze frames from live video - this reduces the quality of the picture and gives a false image.
- Dependant on the contrast and brightness a false bloom is shown on the pictures, which further increases the false image.
- Due to the limited framerate the only view showing from above cannot show the actual moment the ball is hit, it does show it being in but it may have gone out but not been captured by a video frame.
- The Germans are arrogant c*nts and supporters across the world are quite happy to see them go out due to a dodgy goal.
- The dodgy goal in question wasn't even in their game, which is all the sweeter.
Doctored surely
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Hi Doc. I hope, eventhough I am German, I am not an arrogant c..t. The team went out due to their own inabilities, no whining about a Japanese goal that might by off line. But why always these bad feelings in general. Always open for critic, but there seems some inexplicable and unnecessary undercurrents.
The shadow of the ball is clearly touching the line
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I think it’s just a bad angle, and don’t call me ShirleyDoctored surely
Exactly, they shouldn't have invaded Poland.You started it!
I actually can’t believe how many people still don’t understand this tbh. It’s been the case for a loooong time.
It absolutely hasn’t.It's impossible for the naked eye to judge where the spherics of the ball start and finish so it's always been a case of if the contact area of the ball is out then the ball is out of play.
It's up to VAR to prove that the spherics of the ball mean it hasn't left the field of play and thus far they haven't proved it. We need to see what the official who overruled the onfield officials saw.
Should be quite easy to produce these I imagine.