Noddy
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Like polishing two turds. Both campaigns were an embarrassment.Not even with hunners of context could I buy that.
We were utterly humiliated in Europe this year.
Like polishing two turds. Both campaigns were an embarrassment.Not even with hunners of context could I buy that.
We were utterly humiliated in Europe this year.
Brighton have a great set up at the moment.I can’t understand why spurs would go down the fat mess route, instead of going for Roberto de Zerbi, unless they’ve been told to fcuk off by Brighton, and De Zebri.
A manager that’s already proved he has a very good understanding of that league.
Sorry mate that last sentence is embarrassing. We lost every game, they also had a shite campaign but to say that it was worse when we both placed last is embarrassing.
Sorry mate that last sentence is embarrassing. We lost every game, they also had a shite campaign but to say that it was worse when we both placed last is embarrassing.
Hahah thank you. When he posted that, that is all I could think of but didn’t know how to post it!
One team got 6.5pts in the co-efficient, the other 6pts.
They had an easier group and still failed to get third, even when it included one of those poor teams we beat on the run to Seville…
With a Summer to plan, their budget + draw, I’d suggest they had a poorer Euro campaign.
We gained more co-efficient points than they did this season.
Like polishing two turds. Both campaigns were an embarrassment.
I don’t see him wanting to go back there. If he does I don’t see much of a route back to the EPL for him. If he waits til Dec he could get the Spurs job.
Serious question is that from the qualifying rounds? Because that obviously explains it. I can’t imagine we got too many points from getting beat in every game.
You could look at the other way if he gets the job that means the people that make the decisions at these clubs believe hes a premiership level manager now. I also find it difficult to accept anyone that just spends a long time in any top leagues in europe must be a wonderful coach, some will just keeping getting jobs because they have the most experience.He's certainly had more than his fair share of luck I'd say with Rangers having three different managers during his tenure and all the upheaval that brings. Getting key fixtures moved at a vital stage of the season last year and most importantly he's been financially backed more than any other manager ever has in Scottish football history.
He's not a terrible manager by any means but if you're approaching 60 and you haven't managed anywhere in Europe other than the Greek 4th division and SPFL it's probably for a reason.
Fair enough - take European results out of the equation thenWe have to stop using Europe as a yardstick when we just got humiliated in an all-time worst performance in the groups.
Sorry lads, I’d rather dominate Scotland like they have for the last decade, than win some knockout ties. We’ll fall behind their trophy room before 2030, no way am I cool with that.
Looking at the reaction to fat Ange . That ok with you ?What ye doing on a Spurs forum?
Serious question is that from the qualifying rounds? Because that obviously explains it. I can’t imagine we got too many points from getting beat in every game.
Aye but that’s just daft cos we would all trade the nacho novo Falkirk cup final for a European cupHe's not suggesting swapping a title win for a European final appearance.
He clearly stated a European final WIN.
Fascinating thread. Rooted in the mistaken yet persistent belief that Postecoglou is a poor manager.
Hands up, I was among those who thought he was a dud when Celtic appointed him. As did every Celtic fan I know. He seemed like a rebound appointment after Howe jilted them (which he was), but he came with a decent pedigree - league wins in Australia and Japan, and managed Australia at the World Cup. And a couple of bad results while he was building his team cemented the view that his experience wasn't relevant to Europe.
He recruited well from markets he knew, chose a swashbuckling style that blew away the weaker teams in Scotland, and went on a two season run of virtual invulnerability (domestically). Yet we kept hearing narratives about how his luck would change, he would get found out, his style would tire his players, it would lead to injuries and burn out, and bad results when they came (they never did) would dent his team’s confidence.
We’re still underestimating him. It’s not so outlandish that Spurs want him. His weaknesses are apparent, when playing more tactically astute teams that know how to defend against all-out attack. But he’ll get to trade up to better players, and maybe, just maybe, he’ll win Spurs a cup or get them back into Europe - which is success from where they are right now.
And he’ll be a big loss to Celtic, who seem to have no obvious replacement lined up. I expect a period of instability for them, some unhappy players in the dressing room, and a faltering start to next season. If Beale can take advantage, Rangers could build a league-winning lead by the Autumn.
We gained more co-efficient points than they did this season.
Of course it includes the Qualifiers, there's little doubt or argument that our group games were embarrassing but you can't discount those 2 Qualifiers both tough games and a great achievement to qualify.
We can only hopeNo one with a brain surely thinks they will appoint Scott Brown or John Kennedy.
It’s the overall campaign, of course. Getting through the qualifiers against two very decent sides was an excellent performance - or are we now just to dismiss this?
Achieving CL qualification was a success. The group stage was a disaster but that’s not what I am debating.
They shat the bed in a group they should have finished third at worst. Ajax was our rival for third. We had an horrendous injury list, during that campaign.Mate seriously clutching here. We gained more co-efficient points and beating USG and PSV was brilliant but you can’t compare qualifiers to the group stages. If a shettleston said that to me I’d literally laugh in their face.
Walter had the rattlers on the mantelpiece during NIAR yet was constantly criticised by the media for the poor overall performances in Europe. Most Bears agree(d) the teams were underachieving in Europe for the most part and did not have to have this shoved down their throats by jealous media fuckwits.We were architects of our own downfall in most cases. The Fat Man, however, has been an unmitigated failure in Europe. No Rangers Manager successful on the domestic trophy front would be given the same free pass by the media on that issue as he has.
Won't last the season and will be at another club before season is out.As always, the truth isn't necessarily one thing or the other, it's a mixture and relies a lot on the context.
He has absolutely bought well, at least initially. Bought players for his style. Put square pegs in square holes. His style is very well coached into them, every single player knows what is expected of them. And that style is in many ways pefect for most games in Scotland...it even worked against Rangers until more recently when things have been a bit tighter, though they've still got results.
But his style doesn't work as well if we go back to 3 subs, as an example. So in that regard he's been fortunate. He's been able to outspend the rest by orders of magnitude, which again is pretty fortunate. He has failed in European football with this style, and failed pretty overwhelmingly. He has also had the luxury of Rangers dropping points where we really shouldn't, meaning even in games where they're not overwhelming the opposition, there is a lack of pressure and they inevitably get the job done. That's fortunate, though their domestic record can't be questioned, it is very, very good. But he clearly has no other option but to play that style, which means good teams can and have worked it out and he can't change it.
We'll see how he gets on at Spurs. If I was a betting man I'd go with what I said earlier in the thread - an initial good run followed by a quick and unrecoverable drop-off. If he's getting Spurs into the CL and winning a cup, I'll eat the leftovers of that poster's trousers from earlier in the thread.
They'll push the boat out as much as possible I'd wager. No danger are they taking a risk against a Rangers team that has a manager who knows what he's doing domestically.
Their support would go apeshit if they settled for Brown or Kennedy.
I don't think they'll land a Rodgers or Favre but it wouldn't shock me if they got someone like Marsch.
They shat the bed in a group they should have finished third at worst. Ajax was our rival for third. We had an horrendous injury list, during that campaign.
He’ll either do incredibly well or disastrously bad. It can only go those ways. His style depends on a midfield skill/effort superiority and I can’t see Hojbjerg or Skipp dominating the EPL for 38 games, they’ll take some batterings IMO.Fair enough - take European results out of the equation then
Do you think AP's up to the Spurs job ?
Do you think it would be an inspired appointment with a good chance of success ?
Yet we kept hearing narratives about how his luck would change, he would get found out, his style would tire his players, it would lead to injuries and burn out, and bad results when they came (they never did) would dent his team’s coconfidence.
We've had multiple seasons laughing at them in Europe. As brutal as that campaign was, we've had far more success.All of that is true but not relevant to my previous point. We still lost every game and barely laid a glove on anyones. If that had been them we’d piss ourself laughing.
One or two have went a bit ott, but it's hardly 94 pages of square go arrangements.94 pages and bears offering each other square goes…. Time to close the thread admin some of our support are too concerned about this c*nt.
We've had multiple seasons laughing at them in Europe. As brutal as that campaign was, we've had far more success.
We're they not linked to one of the gulf states earlier this year ?Spurs are one club I don’t see being sold to Arab oil sheiks.
I got that bud. But still we knocked out a very good psv side. Onwards and upwards.Again I agree but that’s not the point I was replying to. Saying we got more coefficient points when we played qualifiers and they didn’t is a very disingenuous argument and the sort of thing I’d laugh at them for,
Everything is relative on the Euro debate.
Of course we got humiliated. But the fact remains our group was far, far harder.
if we had Leipzig and Shakhtar, I’m dreaming of 2nd and frankly not tolerating anything less than third.
Bad comparison then. If Patrick Thistle went a season unbeaten in the Championship would you take them seriously if they said they got more points than us? Celtic literally didn’t play qualifiers (because of our amazing Euro exploits).
Again I agree but that’s not the point I was replying to. Saying we got more coefficient points when we played qualifiers and they didn’t is a very disingenuous argument and the sort of thing I’d laugh at them for,
Yes, when we're in Pot 3 due to co-efficient points gained it'll be a right laugh.
It's not as though the qualifers were against teams from Malta, for example. PSV were as good as a number of sides in the group stages. You can hardly dismiss those games. The yahoos don't exactly have a great record in those types of matches.
We're talking about the overall European campaign. We acknowledge how shit the group stages went. Theirs was arguably worse given the teams they were against.
According to many, and I think he is quoted as asying.Serious question, why would he want to leave the prem league and london?
We would’ve got pumped from them as well we were absolutely horrific in Europe.
Mate seriously clutching here. We gained more co-efficient points and beating USG and PSV was brilliant but you can’t compare qualifiers to the group stages. If a shettleston said that to me I’d literally laugh in their face.
Tbh the Champions League campaigns of 1996/97 & 2009/10 were worse than last year.We have to stop using Europe as a yardstick when we just got humiliated in an all-time worst performance in the groups.
Sorry lads, I’d rather dominate Scotland like they have for the last decade, than win some knockout ties. We’ll fall behind their trophy room before 2030, no way am I cool with that.
interesting .... you know this how ??Rodgers wants to stay down south. Leeds have already approached him.
interesting .... you know this how ??
Yes it gained us entry into a competition they were already in.Our win over PSV was better than anything they did in Europe last season. In hindsight, that was a terrific result.
I’m not dismissing those games but to say we gained more coefficient points when those points only include qualifiers they they didn’t play is a bad faith argument.
They should have but bad or cheating refereeing sorted it for themNot sure I can agree
Has his first choice central defensive pairing lost a domestic game ?
Wasn’t aware of that, thought their Jewish support might not like it.We're they not linked to one of the gulf states earlier this year ?
It's hardly 'bad faith' when it's the rules of the competition. It's odd the contortions made to justify their performances.
The end result of both our CL group stages was last place. They should have been looking at challenging for 2nd place vs. Leipzig and Shakhter.
Buying a McDonalds franchise in north London?Rumour that his wife is down in London property hunting. That can only mean one thing…….,
Sorry you're wrong.Yep.
TBF at least we acknowledged we were way out of our depth. They pretended they were unlucky and had Real Madrid on the ropes for 25 minutes.