Official Rangers win case over tickets with SPFL - but authorities refuse to issue compliance edict to Celtic

fyo-von-bluenose said:
They want the Broomloan and nothing else. That said, I expected this because there are genuinely safety issues in relation to the segregation of Rangers fans at Celtic Park in that away area. They can't accept the low allocation because if they do, they're risking a crush of their own fans in their North Stand concourse.

Not our fault their stadium is a death trap. The only real solution is the Euro Allocation but I doubt they'd accept that, so %^*& 'em.
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There's no need for a "solution", it's already settled, the fact that they can't accept it doesn't or shouldn't come into it!
 
Good to see the club have asked about the SPFL governance review. This was due to start in October and that is the first time I have seen it mentioned. Do we even know who is on the panel for this review?
 
If they don't comply with the rules then they should be punished. 10 points at least
Joking apart we offered them tickets they didn't take them, so we complied with the rules.
They offer us none, against the rules therefore punishment!!, don't hold your breath, Scum acting like Scum!! Why are we surprised
 
TerryMunro said:
I suspect the process has been ongoing for a while now and their authorities wasted as much time as possible to allow a situation where it’s too late for further action.
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To be honest I can't really understand the point about the sub committee saying they can't determine a figure without evidence from them. Every club has a safety certificate issued each season with details on what stadium capacity is including for away fans.

They should have chosen a number and mandated they provide tickets but it seems whoever was on the panel just refused to do their jobs. Bisgrove would be as well resigning from the SPFL board over this and we should be pressuring the SFA to step in, you can't have rules for a competition and have one club decide to ignore them.
 
As ever, the way the media seem to be dealing with this speaks volumes.

Focus and headlines are all about how Rangers are raging. The actual real issues, namely Rangers winning their case, celtic being unreasonable and at fault and the ones who instigated the 'no tickets' stance because they threw their toys out the pram, them lying about the reasons for refusal of these tickets, and the spineless SPFL working in favour of celtic AGAIN even against their own rules, and their failures in governance in general, are all just a side issue, not to be highlighted more than necessary.

Now, compare this to when they speak about the old firm ticketing issues in general and it's Rangers front and centre as the party at fault, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sadly the club themselves are partly to blame for this, when they decided to take the easy option, refusing to confront and highlight 'all the reasons' that the the Broomloan was taken away from them and returned to bears in the first place. If memory serves, they went down the rather spineless most un-confrontational approach of 'looking after their own season ticket holders' when this was far from the whole story and avoided all references to their behaviour in Ibrox and the issues surrounding the corresponding treatment of our fans at their stadium.
 
fyo-von-bluenose said:
They want the Broomloan and nothing else. That said, I expected this because there are genuinely safety issues in relation to the segregation of Rangers fans at Celtic Park in that away area. They can't accept the low allocation because if they do, they're risking a crush of their own fans in their North Stand concourse.

Not our fault their stadium is a death trap. The only real solution is the Euro Allocation but I doubt they'd accept that, so %^*& 'em.
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Spot on.

Their stadium being a shithole and a nightmare for them to manage a smaller allocation is not our problem.

That is why they refused an allocation at Ibrox, so they could save face when they ultimately didn't offer us any.

We should have called it out at the time.
 
Hurricane Run said:
Procedures and technicalities aside. Celtic have unilateraly withdrawn tickets against SPFL rules. They should be dealt with accordingly. The amount of tickets that constitute a "reasonable" amount is irrelevant. Because zero isnt any amount let alone reasonable.

Potential big can of worms for the SPFL here. Theres now a precedence to withdraw tickets at a clubs discretion and i hope we take advantage of that in future if its not dealt with.
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Absolutely, don’t say anything. Refuse to give them tickets in the future . A precedent has been set .
Is there any recourse for taking this further and pursuing the SPFL for negligence?
 
Bottom line is they broke the rules but the “governing body” refuses to take any action and as usual they get their own way

Our board have at least issued a statement but are powerless to do anything else
 
Celtic have released an official statement

www.celticfc.com

Celtic Football Club statement

Welcome to the official Celtic Football Club website featuring latest Celtic FC news, fixtures and results, ticket info, player profiles, hospitality, shop and more.
www.celticfc.com www.celticfc.com

Given the recent serious safety and matchday issues which our fans have experienced at fixtures at Ibrox and Celtic Park, Celtic's position on this matter has been very clear.

Celtic welcomes the opportunity to seek to resolve these important issues, and it was a hearing for which the Club was very well-prepared.

We are pleased that the sub-committee recognised the importance of safety and matchday experience issues in considering the question of a reasonable allocation for both fixtures.

While respecting the ongoing process, Celtic stands by its decision not to allocate any tickets for away supporters for the match on December 30th.

Celtic will continue to focus on the importance of safety and matchday experience issues as we look to address reasonable allocations at Celtic Park and Ibrox from next year, in a responsible manner.
 
Burgh Loyal said:
All about opinions mate, %^*& them.
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I hate them as well. But I love Rangers more and Rangers fans deserve to go to Parkhead especially with how we are playing just now. Imagine the difference 7,500 of us going there could make.
 
oldblueeyes said:
Absolutely, don’t say anything. Refuse to give them tickets in the future . A precedent has been set .
Is there any recourse for taking this further and pursuing the SPFL for negligence?
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No, if we go legal outside of the spfl/sfa uefa can ban all Scottish clubs from European competitions and Lawell and Doncaster are on the uefa board so they would push it!
 
LoyalAndBlue82 said:
Celtic have released an official statement


Given the recent serious safety and matchday issues which our fans have experienced at fixtures at Ibrox and Celtic Park, Celtic's position on this matter has been very clear.

Celtic welcomes the opportunity to seek to resolve these important issues, and it was a hearing for which the Club was very well-prepared.

We are pleased that the sub-committee recognised the importance of safety and matchday experience issues in considering the question of a reasonable allocation for both fixtures.

While respecting the ongoing process, Celtic stands by its decision not to allocate any tickets for away supporters for the match on December 30th.

Celtic will continue to focus on the importance of safety and matchday experience issues as we look to address reasonable allocations at Celtic Park and Ibrox from next year, in a responsible manner.
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So are they saying our fans were unsafe during the 5 games we’ve had there with the reduced allocation?

What’s changed since then?
 
LoyalAndBlue82 said:
Celtic have released an official statement

www.celticfc.com

Celtic Football Club statement

Welcome to the official Celtic Football Club website featuring latest Celtic FC news, fixtures and results, ticket info, player profiles, hospitality, shop and more.
www.celticfc.com www.celticfc.com

Given the recent serious safety and matchday issues which our fans have experienced at fixtures at Ibrox and Celtic Park, Celtic's position on this matter has been very clear.

Celtic welcomes the opportunity to seek to resolve these important issues, and it was a hearing for which the Club was very well-prepared.

We are pleased that the sub-committee recognised the importance of safety and matchday experience issues in considering the question of a reasonable allocation for both fixtures.

While respecting the ongoing process, Celtic stands by its decision not to allocate any tickets for away supporters for the match on December 30th.

Celtic will continue to focus on the importance of safety and matchday experience issues as we look to address reasonable allocations at Celtic Park and Ibrox from next year, in a responsible manner.
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Lol, can't want to see next year's statement explaining how a bigger allocation will be "safer" (not that they will get one).

An absolute dribble of a statement.
 
They will now ask for more talks, when they will claim that traditionally they always has the Broomloan stand and will give Rangers the pathetic corner in exchange, otherwise they would continue not to issue any tickets for their home games.

At that point, the Rangers Board will have to stand firm.
 
IbroxMainStand said:
To be honest I can't really understand the point about the sub committee saying they can't determine a figure without evidence from them. Every club has a safety certificate issued each season with details on what stadium capacity is including for away fans.

They should have chosen a number and mandated they provide tickets but it seems whoever was on the panel just refused to do their jobs. Bisgrove would be as well resigning from the SPFL board over this and we should be pressuring the SFA to step in, you can't have rules for a competition and have one club decide to ignore them.
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A dereliction of duty is the only explanation to your valid points. Unfortunately SPFL and SFA are aligned. If it wasn’t for Park forcing his right to their arbitration we would have lost that stitch up and they will just invent another if we involve them.
 
Rangers should put a survey out to season ticket holders/RSCs and see what paying customers actually want in this fixture, zero fans or 800 is a total waste of everybody's time.

The biggest derby in Europe is becoming tame, sadly wet wipes on both sides crying about songs etc was the start of it, an absolute disgrace.
 
mdingwall said:
DESPITE winning a case put to an SPFL Board Sub-Committee, Rangers FC, with extreme disappointment, will not have any supporters present at Parkhead for the Old Firm match on December 30.

The Sub-Committee agreed with Rangers that Celtic FC’s stance of providing zero tickets to Rangers’ fans was unreasonable.

Despite the fact that the Sub-Committee agreed with Rangers, the Sub-Committee was unwilling to determine what a ‘reasonable’ number of tickets for the fixture would be.

The Sub-Committee was unable to determine this reasonable number due to the fact that the other party had not submitted enough evidence on this issue, despite having ample opportunity to do so in the weeks and months leading up to the hearing.

Rangers’ position has always been clear. We want away fans from all clubs at our stadium and wish for that to be reciprocated when we travel to other clubs’ grounds.

This decision calls into question the effectiveness, and highlights the procedural defects, of SPFL Rule I27.

To Rangers, it is grossly unfair that if a club (in this case Celtic) fails to submit sufficient evidence as part of such proceedings, it effectively ties the hands of a Sub-Committee in being able to determine what a reasonable number of tickets should be; especially when the Sub-Committee agrees that the reasonable number cannot be zero.

Conversely, if a club (in this case Rangers) complies fully and provides all necessary information in good faith, it can still be penalised.

The club will consider its position before participating in any further SPFL led hearings.

Rangers, alongside several other SPFL clubs, also looks forward to the overdue findings of the ongoing, protracted SPFL Governance review.

Rangers will be making no further comment at this time.
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That’s fine , but we now say they will NEVER be back inside Ibrox , none of them .
 
LoyalAndBlue82 said:
Celtic have released an official statement

www.celticfc.com

Celtic Football Club statement

Welcome to the official Celtic Football Club website featuring latest Celtic FC news, fixtures and results, ticket info, player profiles, hospitality, shop and more.
www.celticfc.com www.celticfc.com

Given the recent serious safety and matchday issues which our fans have experienced at fixtures at Ibrox and Celtic Park, Celtic's position on this matter has been very clear.

Celtic welcomes the opportunity to seek to resolve these important issues, and it was a hearing for which the Club was very well-prepared.

We are pleased that the sub-committee recognised the importance of safety and matchday experience issues in considering the question of a reasonable allocation for both fixtures.

While respecting the ongoing process, Celtic stands by its decision not to allocate any tickets for away supporters for the match on December 30th.

Celtic will continue to focus on the importance of safety and matchday experience issues as we look to address reasonable allocations at Celtic Park and Ibrox from next year, in a responsible manner.
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They can go fvck themselves
 
please stop talking about the number of future allocations, that's another debate for anothrer time. the subject matter here is by the rules for the upcoming game at their's, they have to offer us some tickets as we did for them, they refused that's their choice
what's the point of being in charge if you cannot enforce rules on the ones breaking them??? SPFL could easily just say to the tims, give Rangers 700 like you did last time
 
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