2nd rejection for Scott Arfield bid to open a pub on Copland Road

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https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news...ngers-heros-plan-pub-near-Ibrox-pub-rejected/

A former Rangers player's bid to open a pub near Ibrox Stadium has been rejected for a second time.

As the Glasgow Times previously reported, the midfielder who now plays for Charlotte FC first submitted a bid in June 2023.

He asked for permission to transform two vacant units on Copland Road into a new pub. The application was rejected by the council but the footballer re-applied in March.

In the papers, the applicant's agent argued why the previous reasons for refusal should be reconsidered.

Now, planning officials have once again knocked back the proposal.

In the decision, they reasoned that the submission is not in line with the development plan and local guidance due to its impact on the area, location and waste storage.

Currently, the units, near Ibrox Stadium, are vacant, having been previously used as a bookmakers.

 

[bud_light]

A pub across the road so how can they complain about location and impact

 

[Hammerhitstheslammer]

It’s because it’s a rangers thing imo.

 

[VGM]

A pub across the road so how can they complain about location and impact

Flats above is only thing that springs to mind.

 

[senefelder]

I think SA is badly advised here regarding this as a business plan. An extremely busy pub across the road, Lodge Corkerhill doing decent business on match also, and a Sports Bar opening in the Stadium.

 

[The Goalie]

I think SA is badly advised here regarding this as a business plan. An extremely busy pub across the road, Lodge Corkerhill doing decent business on match also, and a Sports Bar opening in the Stadium.

A pub near door to a football stadium will not fail to make money if ran properly

 

[jimbear]

The Louden is nearby and we also have NEH for anybody who wants a pint. I genuinely don't think anothe pub is needed on that location.

 

[GovanFrontLoyal]

I think SA is badly advised here regarding this as a business plan. An extremely busy pub across the road, Lodge Corkerhill doing decent business on match also, and a Sports Bar opening in the Stadium.

A boozer next a football stadium owned a popular ex player of the club - nada wrong with the business plan.

Louden is rammed and so is NEH.

The crux of the issue here is they’ve seen it’s something good for Rangers fans and went “%^*& that”.

 

[Enclosure Blue]

Flats above is only thing that springs to mind.

I believe this is the issue..

 

[Barry Slimfit]

Flats above is only thing that springs to mind.

This is the reason.

It’s pretty simple- god knows why he hasn’t been advised that this is the case.

 

[148bear]

It’s because it’s a rangers thing imo.

100%

 

[Henry Hill]

What exactly is this development plan and where is it shared?

In the decision, they reasoned that the submission is not in line with the development plan

 

[muttley]

Arfield should say that he's opening a peasant slophouse. GCC would issue a licence in a heartbeat.

 

[govanfront85]

It’s because it’s a rangers thing imo.

The amount of "Irish bars" popping up in the Mherchant city makes me agree

 

[148bear]

I think SA is badly advised here regarding this as a business plan. An extremely busy pub across the road, Lodge Corkerhill doing decent business on match also, and a Sports Bar opening in the Stadium.

It would still be rammed and rake in cash on match day.

 

[govanfront85]

Flats above is only thing that springs to mind.

There's flats above the new "Irish bars" in the Mherchant city

 

[govanfront85]

Arfield should say that he's opening a peasant slophouse. GCC would issue a licence in a heartbeat.

Competition for the Louden is a good thing.

 

[fyo-von-bluenose]

A pub near door to a football stadium will not fail to make money if ran properly

Especially when it's known to be run by an ex-Ranger.

They just don't want to approve the application because they'll see it as catering to a community they don't like.

 

[nybear]

Maybe he should tell them its an Irish pub and not tell them he meant Northern.

 

[Plantation pioneer]

The flats above and the surrounding businesses are the reason. No idea why they went back in again

 

[Josh Allen]

The Louden is nearby and we also have NEH for anybody who wants a pint. I genuinely don't think anothe pub is needed on that location.

What if you want a pint of Tennents?

 

[weevlad]

The Louden is nearby and we also have NEH for anybody who wants a pint. I genuinely don't think anothe pub is needed on that location.

really?

You could open another 3 pubs there and they would be rammed

Louden is too busy to serve everyone, big queue outside and you spend half you drinking time inside queueing to get a drink.

Not a dig at the Louden, but it could double in size and still be rammed on match days

 

[jimbear]

Especially when it's known to be run by an ex-Ranger.

They just don't want to approve the application because they'll see it as catering to a community they don't like.

I disagree. If I lived on that part of the Copland Road I don't think that I would want another pub very close by.

 

[Candyass]

100%

No, it's definitely because there are flats above it.

 

[Barry Slimfit]

Never understand why people want to ignore the perfectly reasonable, logical and understandable answer and leap straight to conspiracy bullshit instead.

Especially when it clearly appears to make them angry. It’s like they actually want to be angry.

 

[Candyass]

Never understand why people want to ignore the perfectly reasonable, logical and understandable answer and leap straight to conspiracy bullshit instead.

Especially when it clearly appears to make them angry. It’s like they actually want to be angry.

I'm sick of it.

Not going to lie to you: if I bought a flat and the empty unit or shop below it turned into a football pub of our kind or anything else, I'd be absolutely raging.

 

[Kirbys House]

There's flats above the new "Irish bars" in the Mherchant city

Great area according to some on here.

 

[bobba]

What exactly is this development plan and where is it shared?

City Development Plan - Glasgow City Council

 

[EckP]

Never understand why people want to ignore the perfectly reasonable, logical and understandable answer and leap straight to conspiracy bullshit instead.

Especially when it clearly appears to make them angry. It’s like they actually want to be angry.

They're tragic paranoid wrecks. The same punters are all over the threads calling the scum paranoid.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Subway queue after the match would be chaotic if it were to open.

 

[bluebeak]

The Louden is nearby and we also have NEH for anybody who wants a pint. I genuinely don't think anothe pub is needed on that location.

And The Sports Bar.

 

[Orange Peel]

I think SA is badly advised here regarding this as a business plan. An extremely busy pub across the road, Lodge Corkerhill doing decent business on match also, and a Sports Bar opening in the Stadium.

That's why he'll do well I think.

 

[Cooper's left peg]

Tell them it's going to be used as an "Irish heritage centre" - plans approved!!

 

[JC85]

This is the reason.

It’s pretty simple- god knows why he hasn’t been advised that this is the case.

Don't know why people can't grasp this.

It's in black & white in planning policy. No new pubs under existing residential flats.

No idea why on earth he applied once, never mind a second time.

 

[JC85]

What exactly is this development plan and where is it shared?

City Development Plan - Glasgow City Council

Supplementary Guidance SG4:

"Outwith the City Centre:
(i) Public houses, Class 11 and Sui Generis uses must not be located within, or immediately adjacent to, existing residential buildings."

 

[Great white tadpole]

The Louden is nearby and we also have NEH for anybody who wants a pint. I genuinely don't think anothe pub is needed on that location.

Plastic tumblers £5.50’a pint in Edmiston house no thanks

 

[hunter1rfc]

The Louden is nearby and we also have NEH for anybody who wants a pint. I genuinely don't think anothe pub is needed on that location.

NEH pint out of a paper cup

hold me back

 

[hands_across_the_sea]

The Louden is nearby and we also have NEH for anybody who wants a pint. I genuinely don't think anothe pub is needed on that location.

More pubs the better the spread out the crowds

Last few games in the louden you couldn’t get moving, and wee Rangers is the same. I haven’t been in NEH on a match day so can’t comment on that personally but have heard ones saying it’s a fight to get served too.

 

[A Magician Named Gob]

Never understand why people want to ignore the perfectly reasonable, logical and understandable answer and leap straight to conspiracy bullshit instead.

Especially when it clearly appears to make them angry. It’s like they actually want to be angry.

Have you considered comparing it to a city centre location that probably has bars all around it where people have famously congregated to drink in them for the past 150 odd years?

 

[dcbluenose]

Scotty interested in coming back at all? I mean, I'd take him right now if he was available.

 

[govanfront85]

Great area according to some on here.

I wouldn't know, I wouldn't go near it. Wasn't a fan before as it was. It's now a celtic fan zone pretty much from what I hear

 

[PT98]

Louden has become so busy that it isn't enjoyable any more so this is a pity.

 

[govanfront85]

There's a market for it, I go to the Fairfield bowling club since 2021, previously the Louden until I decided to no longer give them my custom.

Both are mobbed as is bellahouston BC and the corkerhill club.

There's definitely a market for more pubs.

 

[Rt. Hon. Bearman]

Nothing gives a council more joy than pissing on someone else's dreams. They're miserable and they want everyone else to be miserable too.

Bunch of small dicked losers.

 

[East Bear]

Can you make good money opening once a week or so? I guess you must.

 

[Arkanoid]

The Louden is nearby and we also have NEH for anybody who wants a pint. I genuinely don't think anothe pub is needed on that location.

Pubs are heaving on PRW and Copland on match day

 

[DUK_]

There's a market for it, I go to the Fairfield bowling club since 2021, previously the Louden until I decided to no longer give them my custom.

Both are mobbed as is bellahouston BC and the corkerhill club.

There's definitely a market for more pubs.

Why did you stop going to the Louden out of curiosity?

 

[Monkey Butler]

Why did you stop going to the Louden out of curiosity?

@govanfront85 is Lana Wolf, confirmed.

 

[Big D]

Competition for the Louden is a good thing.

Wouldn't so much be competition as an 'overflow'. Louden is rammed on matchdays. Too rammed really. Question is, would it be worth opening a bar that's only going to be busy once or twice a week? The Louden is big enough that it can get the numbers in to generate enough money on matchdays to make it worthwhile (I assume). Not sure the units being spoken about here would do the same.

 

[govanfront85]

Why did you stop going to the Louden out of curiosity?

That neither here nor there.