Are you saying Celtic should not be punished for their part in covering this up and you only want the actual perps punished?
Celtic enabled this to continue by re-employing the perps and also covering up the abuse those young lads had to endure.
Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)
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Celtic enabled this to continue by re-employing the perps and also covering up the abuse those young lads had to endure.
They enabled it to happen, they most definitely should be stripped of trophy's.
Noddy
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Nonsense. A by-product of this should very much see Celtic stripped of all trophies won whilst the abuse was being carried out.
I agree with this as well. They wanted us stripped of titles etc. for a crime we did not commit.
I actually think they should lose their license to operate. If you can't lose it for what they have done then what can you actually lose it for.
If the answer is cheating or maybe bribery then I reckon what they enabled is a far worse crime that cheating or bribery.
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You're not wrong there. Odious scumbags.
Bluethruandthru
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Anyone with a grasp of the facts wouldn't argue otherwise. Not for a second. If people still need this explaining to them there's really no point in wasting your time with them.
Canada Loyal
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Breaking news from Canada.
calgary.citynews.ca
Calgary Stampede reaches $9.5 million class-action lawsuit settlement
The Calgary Stampede has agreed to pay $9.5 million in damages to complainants in a class-action lawsuit that alleged the organization allowed a performance school staffer to sexually abuse young boys. The settlement is still subject to court approval.
calgary.citynews.ca
justice
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9.5m for one guy. How many have they had convicted now, 7 or 8 over decades!Breaking news from Canada.
Calgary Stampede reaches $9.5 million class-action lawsuit settlement
The Calgary Stampede has agreed to pay $9.5 million in damages to complainants in a class-action lawsuit that alleged the organization allowed a performance school staffer to sexually abuse young boys. The settlement is still subject to court approval.
Davieb1965
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Sure it's at least 9 now.
ClubDeckBear93
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How does this all work in terms of them paying out? Would it be covered by their liability insurance. Apologies if this has been discussed before.
I wouldn't think insurers provide a 'paedo ring protection' policy.
ClubDeckBear93
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That's what I said when speaking about it but was told it comes under public liability?
I honestly don't know the details of it, but I would assume it's a mentally challenged who told you that?
ClubDeckBear93
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Nah, they would just deny it outright. Actually one of ours and he's extremely intelligent tbh
The tims are saying their liability/indemnity insurance covers this.
Insurers don't like paying out and would insurance companies have policies that cover legacy sex abuse.
Aspley1 Ger
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No insurance company would cover a liability where the company failed to declare a previous incident as part of their renewal. Celtic knew about Torbett and Cairney and the fact that Cairney was allowed back into club to once again abuse boys would mean that any claims would not be covered by insurance.
bilkobear
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This.
Insurance companies aren't mugs. That is why they have a mountain of small print attached to every policy.
No insurance company would pay out when the loser is culpable in criminally covering up and even abetting the incident/s that led to the loss.
Bring-on-56
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Especially companies that welcomed the peados back to re-offend. That’s culpability - there is no payout forthcoming. Serves as a lovely comfort blanket though
Puggy
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Them apparently sitting with 70m in the bank and spending %^*& all during the transfer window tells you they’re not.
RobGer
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Can your insurance actually cover you for something that was illegal? especially if you knew about it and you knew it was illegall?
warfieldranger
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They proactively covered it up to protect the reputation of the club, further compounding the impact on all those poor victims.
FamousRFC
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Then re-employ a known beast
Hurlfordbear
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Read up on this appears to 6 or 7 victims and 1 perpetrator.Breaking news from Canada.
Calgary Stampede reaches $9.5 million class-action lawsuit settlement
The Calgary Stampede has agreed to pay $9.5 million in damages to complainants in a class-action lawsuit that alleged the organization allowed a performance school staffer to sexually abuse young boys. The settlement is still subject to court approval.
I’m not interested in the money side but well done to the victims.
Taffyblue
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Good, I hope their disgusting club believe this as well.
If they do, it’ll also end up in court and I can only see one outcome when they take on the insurers’ corporate legal team - and my guess is that this would cost them millions as well.
Not a chance they’d get away with non-disclosure of previous offences let alone re-employing beasts.
Also sounds like they’re not pursuing their separate entity nonsense....
i Will Maintain
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The mythical £70m they are sitting on...and not spending in fear of a huge payout that could run into millions tells me any sane insurance company have chased them.
I imagine frantic calls are being made...
Hello sunshine insurance how can i help?
Ehh hullo im looking for indemnity insurance ...its a delicate matter.
Ok sir...can i have your name?
Errr its Celtic footba...
Line goes dead
Hullo...hullo...a hink thurs sumthin wrang wi this phone Pat?
Hulllllo?
Their financial behaviour says to me there is no insurance.
RobGer
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Oherwise Religious organisations, youth groups, media organisations etc would not have paid out in last few years and of course football clubs see link first one I could go0gle.
Chelsea Football Club pays out five figure sums for sexual abuse by ex-Chief Scout Edward Heath | Bolt Burdon Kemp
We successfully settled claims for compensation for two ex-professional football players that played for Chelsea Football Club (CFC). Our clients suffered sexual abuse at the hands of Edward Heath, who was the chief scout for CFC in the 1970’s. Heath died in 1983 without ever being prosecuted...
www.boltburdonkemp.co.uk
Audubon Blue
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Oherwise Religious organisations, youth groups, media organisations etc would not have paid out in last few years and of course football clubs see link first one I could go0gle.
Chelsea Football Club pays out five figure sums for sexual abuse by ex-Chief Scout Edward Heath | Bolt Burdon Kemp
We successfully settled claims for compensation for two ex-professional football players that played for Chelsea Football Club (CFC). Our clients suffered sexual abuse at the hands of Edward Heath, who was the chief scout for CFC in the 1970’s. Heath died in 1983 without ever being prosecuted...
The perpetrator in this case was never convicted.
The Celtic Family have NINE convicted paedophiles to their name.
Compensation in England, with convicted paedophiles, would be way above that paid by Chelsea.
In Scotland ?
RobGer
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Agreed - my point is about whether or not Insurance companies ( and mostly based in England) would cover the clubs.
i Will Maintain
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Celtic agree ‘significant’ compensation for sex abuse victim
Celtic have agreed ‘significant’ compensation to a former youth player who was sexually abused by convicted paedophile Jim McCafferty.
www.scotsman.com
Lets not forget they have already lost a case in court. Presented with undeniable proven facts their arses collapsed.
The exact same thing is going to happen in the current case. The significance of that payout x20 +plus must have big peeturs arse making buttons.
Yip, just the nine.
Nine who just worked together and not a single one knew what any of the other eight were up to, with the same victims.
i Will Maintain
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Nine "seperate entities" ?
spotlight
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And once the dots start getting joined up there should be much more to come. No doubt why the Pederasts want this closed down
Audubon Blue
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Correct
robertobear
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Depends on what judge is appointed to this case ,certainly not happening if Carloway is involved
Johnny The Fox
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All Celtic care about is their 'good name' (I know!). They will be dreading the negative publicity surrounding this. What happened at Penn State was reported worldwide. In fact the only thing I know about Penn State is that they covered up the abuse committed by one individual. Celtic's crimes are far worse, far more serious.
The lives those bastards ruined will never be mended by compensation payment's, especially if the payment's are covered by an NDA. A full admission of guilt and negligence as well as compensation is the least the victims should get. We should know soon if this is the case.
The lives those bastards ruined will never be mended by compensation payment's, especially if the payment's are covered by an NDA. A full admission of guilt and negligence as well as compensation is the least the victims should get. We should know soon if this is the case.
borderbluenose
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Carloway should be barred from any involvement in this case
temperance
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It's your last sentence that concerns me, paedophilia appears to be taken lightly in Scottish courts, by Scottish politicians, by Scottish footballing authorities and by the Scottish media.
okbear
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Regarding any NDA, as I’ve posted previously in this thread, they are not worth the paper they are written on. They only apply to the individual who receives any compensation. They cannot stop other family members or friends from disclosing an amount, as long as the person disclosing accidentally or inadvertently came across the settlement document and it’s been released without the knowledge of the recipient.
bob1873
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Given how long this went on and was an open secret for a long time it feels like there is no end to this. Money won't pay the victims for the hurt but it will recognise the hell they went through. The saga seems to go on and on with no resolution. I hope for the victims sake they get resolution soon.
i Will Maintain
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Carloway should be removed from the bar and retired ..his decisions are utterly baffling and reeking of bias.
The U.S. Male
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WTF - That club should be disbanded for what they enabled. Those poor souls have had their lives destroyed, and some didn't survive the damage caused to them.
So celtic are now in discussions to pay compensation, though don't accept liability, in spite of all the proof they were running the boys club. Ye, that makes sense.
If they were punished years ago, not only would so many victims have been spared, but also likely sponsors wouldn't have touched them, banks woudln't give them a line of credit, players wouldn't go near them and they wouldn't have racked up the cash to win titles, get into champs league etc, to ours and other clubs detriment.
So it goes hand in hand.
Audubon Blue
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Remember Celtic aren't shy about using using non-football rules to suit themselves. They went after Legia a few years ago and had them kicked of a European competition.
Legia's crime. They used a player who was ineligible. I think he was on the pitch for minutes.
Yip, the bold Celts straight for the jugular.
But don't anyone mention Celtic getting punished for a grotesque crime. Nah it wisnae Celtic it was the Boys Club. Make ye sick.
I know ineligile players gets punished. Do we actually have to find a rule that states, that you are not allowed to use practising paedophiles ?
Legia's crime. They used a player who was ineligible. I think he was on the pitch for minutes.
Yip, the bold Celts straight for the jugular.
But don't anyone mention Celtic getting punished for a grotesque crime. Nah it wisnae Celtic it was the Boys Club. Make ye sick.
I know ineligile players gets punished. Do we actually have to find a rule that states, that you are not allowed to use practising paedophiles ?
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Anony Mouse
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Many here say they would like trophies, championships and whatever taken from them. (Which I agree with) but this is all down to what the boys (now men ) want front this.
We know from reading from a few here. All they want is for them to say it was them or something similar.
What do the men want, do they want trophies and championships taken from them?
We know from reading from a few here. All they want is for them to say it was them or something similar.
What do the men want, do they want trophies and championships taken from them?
Bluenose Whistler
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Would be interesting if the victim represented by Kim Leslie details were somehow to be 'passed' to Thomsons re the out of court settlement made literally on the steps of the court house of settlement amount as a starting point to avoid court but hopefully Mr Woods and the Grays especially in light of Hamas Useless advising of his fantasy dream job to be Chairman of scumtic fc and thus why the SNP kept 'religous' organisations ( I would not class them as sporting) off the CSA Scotland report and because of his attitude in basically blanking their contact re their son/brother and individual abuse to protect his dream employer and with the selfie he posted on social mhedia of posing in his WHITE cellic nike (covid conference?) hoodie! Take it the full way.
This stinks of Government interference , just like the SNP not wanting to take on Westminster/HMRC re the pursuit of Rangers being used as a test case for EBT tax loophole being reversed especially as being at war when Scotland used as the guinea pig for Poll Tax a year earlier than England.
This stinks of Government interference , just like the SNP not wanting to take on Westminster/HMRC re the pursuit of Rangers being used as a test case for EBT tax loophole being reversed especially as being at war when Scotland used as the guinea pig for Poll Tax a year earlier than England.
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i Will Maintain
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Forget the title nonsense thats not happening.
What these men want is acknowledgement that Celtic employed and covered up the crimes of those employees and a proper public apology and not a mealy mouthed statement of "regret" and distance from their disgraceful actions.
