Do the board need to dig deep again to fund the rebuild

At the AGM they said they would back the manager.
What did you expect them to say.
That said there is backing and backing. we need a youth production line and a good young player identification process from unfashionable leagues were they can be purchased without breaking the bank. We need to pick up the best young Scots from other teams like Connor Barron and develop them further. We still are able to provide a platform for younger exceptional players to showcase in and shine. We need some die for the Jerseys types as well. But everyone bar none has to give their best efforts every time. Celtic are miles in front in finances and buying cheap and selling high with a few notable exceptions. Changing managers every year or so is also a recipe for disaster. We will follow on and support Rangers as they try to get it right as supporting the alternative team who may win things in Scotland is morally repugnant and unacceptable to any decent supporter of football given their form on non footballing matters.
 
I don't see £21m being accurate. However should it be I'm not sure what that allows for in terms of expansion and rebuilding as lets fact it in footballing terms £21m is a drop in the ocean when you see transfer fees never mind look at the costs of construction these days
Playing devil's advocate here mate, but IF and it's a big if for me - we were to get 21m for Butland.
Lammers, Hagi, Davies, Cantwell and Matondo could potentially generate another 9 easily imo.

30 million could allow us two larger fees in Diomande and Sima taking up around a third of that, and then we'd need to box clever for the rest required.

I'd like to see us ask Skov and De Wit to come for experience, replacing Matondo and Cantwell.Barron for Jack. Sissoko for Lundstram.All of those signing on fees and decent wages to attract them. The Panamanian CH could replace Davies for a few million. Jefte for the rumoured 500k replacing Barisic. A young but raw striker to replace Roofe and challenge Dessers and Danilo. Cortes on a loan to buy. Replacing Butland might take a few million to be fair and even then I doubt we'll get someone as good.

It can be done I reckon though.
 
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I see plenty people here still think they are playing Football Manager and have zero clue about the costs involved in running our club. The whole club. Not just the 1st team.

FFP means we can only spend a certain amount each year from our income stream towards transfers. We spent what we could last summer. This isn't money the board 'have to find' it's already budgeted at the start of each season based on a minimum of reaching the Europa groups. That was spent and in January, probably factoring in the payoffs to Beale and team, we couldn't buy anyone for a decent fee. So no we couldn't sign Shankland. We managed a deal for Diomande and 2 loans. However that Diomande deal means that's a portion of this summers budget gone.

We always fund managers with what our budget dictates. We cannot overspend and then risk being short for the rest of the running costs. It's not the board job to top up any shortfall. They cannot just keep buying new shares as we went down this route under the rebuild and FFP meant it had to stop as we were still spending millions on new players.but making losses. We had to become self sufficient.

A sugar daddy or single owner also has to live with the above circumstances. No owner can just pump his own money in without FFP issues. Look at the EPL. Celtic don't have a sugar daddy or single owner. They also have shareholders but due to the continued free money under our struggles they are very financially self sustainable. The new CL setup guarantees them £40m not the £60m people are now using to make it seem worse. We also can still get this. If not Europa groups still allow us to fund new players.

People blaming the board.need to realise we have spent around £40m in fees since 2021 and Celtic have spent over £100m. Sorry to say but we don't have any right to be as close to them as we have this season. We have won a cup and into another final. However over a season they should be ahead. Just cause we are Rangers doesn't cut it these days. Finances mean we are behind. We are making millions from commercial and sponsorships which I'm sure is the highest its ever been and for the country we play in it won't.just increase tenfold.

I will also point out we cannot just create fake sponsorship deals and add whatever value we choose so we can just spend it on players. Man City have 115 charges for fake deals ti boost the spending. PSG tried to sponsor the stadium using their own owners airline for £500m but Uefa stepped in and said no chance and I'm sure it got dropped to £200m cause the deal doesn't match potential income from the sponsorship. So forget a billionaire Rangers fan offering us mega millions to name the stadium. Also forget investors just oaying us 10s of millions to have their name on our tops. It's financial doping.

Sorry long winded but birds woke me up early.
 
Sadly it's not that simple.

We can't just throw money at signings and expect to escape FFP scrutiny. We also need to accept a new reality where we can't have millions in player contracts tied up in guys who don't play regularly for us. The only way this is fixed is through a few seasons of very careful signings and by running a smaller squad that's reliant on domestic players and young talent to fill the squad outside of the starting 11.

If Gerard's side are really looking at Goldson and Tavernier then we bite their had off. And thats for starters. That at least gets some money in. Lundstram goes. Balogun goes. Barasic goes. Roofe goes. Lammers goes. Danilo probably goes.

Replacements need to be found, but our squad has to have the likes of Connor Baron and young Watson at Kilmarnock in it. We can't afford to run the bloated, expensive squad we do now. Saving on wasted wages will help the club's finances recover and we'll need that to fund a rebuild over a number of years.

There's no quick fix. This is going to take several seasons.
 
Aye right enough we're about to have another 2012 and hit Admin 2.0.

Wise up man, you're hitting out with pure scum patter comparing that period of time to now.

The past few summers have shown we find the money from somewhere. I don't know how anyone can dispute that, it's just factually what has happened.

When investment is needed, we find it because Rangers comes first and that goes for a lot of people.
Jesus Christ. No one said anything like that and you’re chucking out nonsense like “scum patter”. The point was that investment was needed in 2003-2012 and we didn’t “just find it”; that was the comparison, not admin.

We didn’t just “find the money from somewhere” either in the past couple of summers, as you’ve been told many times before, read the bloody accounts; it shows exactly where cash comes from. Money was “found” from selling Aribo, Patterson and Bassey. We don’t have a plethora of assets that will raise funds right now. Money was “found” from a handful of wealthy fans investing and making loans that are (mostly) repaid - they’re not a bottomless pit.

There will be money available, the accounts give an indication of roughly how much, and that will be supplemented by player sales. But no one should ever delude themselves about how much that will be and imagine that it will be more than it is “just because”..
 
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Any talk of stadium expansions, safe standing etc should be shelved until we can actually afford a successful football team again.

We need to prioritise winning trophies over such things, especially when you look at tomorrow and how empty it’ll likely be.

The museum for instance (although funded primarily by going cap in hand to others) is nothing more than a vanity protect right now at a time when fans are paying through the nose time and again to be let down by those running the club.
I had this exact discussion with someone on here years ago when Robertson was banging on about this building, and the cost.
Was it not built to commemorate our 150th anniversary?
Covid soon put an end to that.

Then after covid, when the cost of materials went literally off the chart, and the price sky rocketed, we should have concentrated on building a consistent winning team.In my opinion.On the park.
Which in turn, might have brought in it's own rewards, especially in the C.L, which then as a result may have acquired funds to finally finish this vanity project.

Couldn't agree more.
"Vanity" being the operative word.
 
1. Turnover and profit are two very different things
They are but if you turnover £90m and you have to rely on loans you’re obviously paying your staff too many wages. That means we are recruiting the wrong players from the wrong leagues to play for us.
2. Take that up with Dave King. How many times did he say we were free of Ashley only for there to be another court case, or another hidden bill?
I agree on this. We are still suffering from various contracts
3. See previous point on if the board(s) had told Beale/Gio "no, we don't think he's worth that" - this forum would have been in uproar about Romanov style interference

The board select the manager etc and as a result they have to take the blame when the people that they have paid to scout the best players fail to do so.
4. The fact NEH has turned any profit in it's first year is remarkable, regardless of how you want to frame it. For any hospitality venture it's usually 3 years minimum before profit. That's quite the opposite of mismanagement. Also, you've just shown with this "point" that you don't have a clue about FFP and how it works.

I wouldn’t say remarkable at all. Not many start ups have the advantage of having the amount of customers straight away. Also the events side only operates when they are open so they the vast majority of staff are zero hour cheap event staff.

The shop side is a strange one as it’s difficult to see if it’s castore making the money from that or us.

My point is that if we had access to £12m we should have been using that to fill a corner of the stadium. Would have been far better for ffp long term than a building with event space that is empty 300 days a year
 
We need a major financial investor, until then we will struggle buying free agents and cheap replacements.
Sad but true.
Maybe Big Gordon (Ramsey) if he can't invest himself, might be able to persuade his best mate David Beckham to part with some of his gazillion dollars?
 
The bheasts midfield cost £3m to assemble. £1.5m for O'Riley, £1.5m for Hatate and nothing for McGregor. They won the game in midfield.

It's not how much money you spend, it is how you spend it.

We're already spending about £5m on Diomande, that's more than the three of them put together.
I have saw that argument trotted out a few times now since the weekend. Now i am not saying your figures are wrong, or your assessment of the game, but...

They have spent plenty on dross that never gets near their starting 11, or match day squad. Plenty!

So they flung enough mud, and some of it stuck, but their 'success' ratio won't actually be much better than ours, they just have more mud to fling.
 
If the board can’t get us a decent transfer budget it’s time for them to bring in someone that can, We are nowhere near breaking FFP and do we make the champions league we could easy justify 25-30 million on players.

The fans are continuing to be extremely loyal but if this keeps going then it’s only a matter of time before there are a lot of empty seats.
 
100% mate the current custodians are simply incapable or unwilling to fund all that is required.
It's not their job to fund what you want. It's their job to fund it from money we bring in and use it under FFP constraints. We can only spend a percentage of what we bring in. They themselves cannot just use their own money to make the changes. Surely you do realise that
 
100% mate the current custodians are simply incapable or unwilling to fund all that is required.
Trouble is, extremely wealthy people, willing to throw money at a club when ,unlike the EPL, they are highly unlikely to get it back, are very difficult to find.

The chairman has already invested multiple millions to get us where we are now.

Even then, if we did stumble across a willing billionaire, ffp means what he could do within the rules would actually be quite limited, especially in the short term. Long term would be more beneficial, ie increasing the capacity of Ibrox, as infrastructure spending doesn’t count to ffp.
 
Butland sale (unfortunately) and a few others will be funding the rebuild. We will also be freeing up weekly wages into the 100s of thousands.

This is when Koppen will really show us what he's about. We already know we have expanded our search for players we just need to be smart and spend more wisely.
 
Butland sale (unfortunately) and a few others will be funding the rebuild. We will also be freeing up weekly wages into the 100s of thousands.

This is when Koppen will really show us what he's about. We already know we have expanded our search for players we just need to be smart and spend more wisely.
Problem is the players leaving do free up wages but those wages will need to be spent on new players. The savings on wages doesn't equate to millions free money to buy players. We will need to get valued players out of contract again and they will require high wages to come here. If not them then it's young players with potential who may not cut it.
 
When you look at the last few season spending then we need upwards of £25m to get to where we need to be.

That coupled with bosmans and loans.

We need at least 5 or 6 starters, no squad players please.
 
They need to spend the resources available to them better.

Younger, fitter players who fit the direct and attacking style of play the manager said he wants to implement. And have a potential resale value.

We need to invest sensibly in areas of the squad that are weakest first. As much as we'd like to get rid of 99% of them this will take more than 1 window to fix.
This. Allot of our fans think we're letting 20 odd players go in the summer and signing 20 odd to replace them. Never happening.
 
It’s on the first page of the Bear Pit and the title of the thread is Butland
Not a clue how I missed that, cheers.

I was against Butland leaving for around the £10 mil mark but if we are genuinely being offered £21 million id be taken that all day.
 
Funds will be available if we sell and move on players to free up wages and that we must. . The summer window is a fantastic opportunity for Rangers. We need to use it wisely. Next season is huge because if we don’t win the league Clement is probably gone and we are back to square one again.
 
We need a major financial investor, until then we will struggle buying free agents and cheap replacements.
Sad but true.
It’s clearly the league we are in which stops major outside investment especially when you see Hollywood stars investing in English clubs That are nowhere near as big as Rangers
There are some big name Rangers fans out there who want to be seen and heard when there’s big games on the horizon & some very well off ex-players who keep telling us they “love the club” when things are going well at Rangers
but
they don’t commit percentage wise in finance like the rank and file Rangers men in the support
 
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Problem is the players leaving do free up wages but those wages will need to be spent on new players. The savings on wages doesn't equate to millions free money to buy players. We will need to get valued players out of contract again and they will require high wages to come here. If not them then it's young players with potential who may not cut it.

The current squad is totally overpaid for their ability and contributions. Rumoured wages of Silva, Lundstram, Sima, Barisic, Jack, Roofe, Balogun and McLaughlin is about £140k a week. We can replace all of them and get far more return with about two thirds of that.

EPL is a different world but we compare ourselves to it because of proximity when we shouldn't. Outside of big Dutch and Portuguese clubs and the top half of the other top 5 leagues we are one of the best paying clubs in the world. The idea we don't have a budget to compete or attract quality is farcical.
 
The board need to pull their head out their arse and fix the major %^*& up that they created.

It is down to the board that we have ended up in this position, rather than kick on after 55.

Spare me the shite about the recovery and the journey. We’ve won a league, been in a euro final, had multiple years of euro money, if we are still not recovered by now, then it solidifies that it’s their fucking fault.
 
The current squad is totally overpaid for their ability and contributions. Rumoured wages of Silva, Lundstram, Sima, Barisic, Jack, Roofe, Balogun and McLaughlin is about £140k a week. We can replace all of them and get far more return with about two thirds of that.

EPL is a different world but we compare ourselves to it because of proximity when we shouldn't. Outside of big Dutch and Portuguese clubs and the top half of the other top 5 leagues we are one of the best paying clubs in the world. The idea we don't have a budget to compete or attract quality is farcical.
Yes we can replace them on less wages but we still need the money to buy replacements. 4 or 5 of them play regularly so 1st team starters won't be cheap. Fee or wages.
 
Yes we can replace them on less wages but we still need the money to buy replacements. 4 or 5 of them play regularly so 1st team starters won't be cheap. Fee or wages.

Big fees aren't the indicators of good players. If we are giving these new signings 4 year deals, the way football accounting works that 140k a week gives us £29m spread over 4 years to spend on fees and wages to replace them. That is a lot. We should be selling on for profit in a year or two as well to further increase it.
 
Big fees aren't the indicators of good players. If we are giving these new signings 4 year deals, the way football accounting works that 140k a week gives us £29m spread over 4 years to spend on fees and wages to replace them. That is a lot. We should be selling on for profit in a year or two as well to further increase it.
We can only sell for profit I'd clubs wany our players plus only if the players want to move. Theb4 years salary only works yearly for our spend though
 
It's all down to recruitment. The last time we had a decent spell of recruiting players was in Gerrard's early tenure. With that Gerrard was able to claw back a side that had dominated us for 3 years and we went on to dominate them.

Our recruitment since winning the title has been abysmal.

There isn't going to be a money man come in and ride to our rescue. It is going to take some really clever turnover of playing staff this summer and beyond if we have any hope to regain any form of initiative over that lot.
 
They need to get the recruitment right - something is just very wrong behind the scenes at Rangers and that needs to change. We need to start seeing some proper value for the money that is being spent. Guess we'll see what that brings this summer.

Issue we've got is where are we going to get money from? We're already being watched by FFP. So, we're going to need some actual transfer fees and a fair chunk of the players leaving will just be returning to their club, leaving on a free or simply won't command much cash. Goldson and Tav maybe bring in something if the Gerrard stories are true. Which leaves us with Butland - a player we really should be holding onto where possible but may be no choice.
 
As with every summer we will need to find funds to sign players. We probably need to find a bit more this summer but should also be able to attract money in for some sellable assets and those the manager doesn't want to keep.

There should also be a significant amount of wages freed up by those out of contract and not being retained (Barisic, Lundstram, Roofe, Jack etc)

I'm certain the manager and Koppen will have been working on this for quite some time but hope they get adequate funding to do what they want to do.

I would also love to know what they have identified and plan on changing in the club regarding the numerous injuries we suffer.
 
Absolutely.
Should have invested when we won 55 & blew it.
Get the injury prone & jobbers out.
Give PC money to bring in his own players.
Recruitment needs to be spot on though.
 
We spend enough money, it's how we spend it that needs addressed.

Recruitment strategy & tackling the annual injury crisis is more important than the board 'stumping up' cash.
 
Spending 15m on Ed House has been an almighty blunder it won’t make the club money back for years if ever.

The board have gotten a lot right but have made some horrible mistakes with our money.
I agree it was a blunder the timing of it

We should never have used money from getting to seville to finish it while we didn't win the league.

Yea they have added sponsorships now etc but someone's I think these things have been done as a legacy from those on the board to say we did this at ages

instead of what should have happened everything to winning the league 2/3 years on a trot it then normalises the income Streams between us and them meaning money could be spent in infrastructure

It will make money longer term

now we are selling part of car park to get additional money which in turn makes it harder to get to games for those with cars and reduces our assets land wise.

this board does not think longer term only about the next thing they can say they did
 
I see plenty people here still think they are playing Football Manager and have zero clue about the costs involved in running our club. The whole club. Not just the 1st team.

FFP means we can only spend a certain amount each year from our income stream towards transfers. We spent what we could last summer. This isn't money the board 'have to find' it's already budgeted at the start of each season based on a minimum of reaching the Europa groups. That was spent and in January, probably factoring in the payoffs to Beale and team, we couldn't buy anyone for a decent fee. So no we couldn't sign Shankland. We managed a deal for Diomande and 2 loans. However that Diomande deal means that's a portion of this summers budget gone.

We always fund managers with what our budget dictates. We cannot overspend and then risk being short for the rest of the running costs. It's not the board job to top up any shortfall. They cannot just keep buying new shares as we went down this route under the rebuild and FFP meant it had to stop as we were still spending millions on new players.but making losses. We had to become self sufficient.

A sugar daddy or single owner also has to live with the above circumstances. No owner can just pump his own money in without FFP issues. Look at the EPL. Celtic don't have a sugar daddy or single owner. They also have shareholders but due to the continued free money under our struggles they are very financially self sustainable. The new CL setup guarantees them £40m not the £60m people are now using to make it seem worse. We also can still get this. If not Europa groups still allow us to fund new players.

People blaming the board.need to realise we have spent around £40m in fees since 2021 and Celtic have spent over £100m. Sorry to say but we don't have any right to be as close to them as we have this season. We have won a cup and into another final. However over a season they should be ahead. Just cause we are Rangers doesn't cut it these days. Finances mean we are behind. We are making millions from commercial and sponsorships which I'm sure is the highest its ever been and for the country we play in it won't.just increase tenfold.

I will also point out we cannot just create fake sponsorship deals and add whatever value we choose so we can just spend it on players. Man City have 115 charges for fake deals ti boost the spending. PSG tried to sponsor the stadium using their own owners airline for £500m but Uefa stepped in and said no chance and I'm sure it got dropped to £200m cause the deal doesn't match potential income from the sponsorship. So forget a billionaire Rangers fan offering us mega millions to name the stadium. Also forget investors just oaying us 10s of millions to have their name on our tops. It's financial doping.

Sorry long winded but birds woke me up early.
A lot of sense in here

But last summer we led up a garden path by board as well

The chairman stated we invested 21 mill in squad that will be fees and wages......... the reason he worded it that way was people were clicking on that the suggested fees out were similar to what we spent and that's before we took into consideration we prob lost 5 of our higher earners leaving on frees

Imho opinion we downsized massively and that was reason Beale was hired we need to cut our cloth but

Now agree ffp has a fair amount to do with how we do business and board is looking at that 3 year cycle but they have also made rediculous choices in that time in regards recruitment.
 
A lot of sense in here

But last summer we led up a garden path by board as well

The chairman stated we invested 21 mill in squad that will be fees and wages......... the reason he worded it that way was people were clicking on that the suggested fees out were similar to what we spent and that's before we took into consideration we prob lost 5 of our higher earners leaving on frees

Imho opinion we downsized massively and that was reason Beale was hired we need to cut our cloth but

Now agree ffp has a fair amount to do with how we do business and board is looking at that 3 year cycle but they have also made rediculous choices in that time in regards recruitment.
Thing is , you say we downsized massively, in terms of wages we maybe did, but we absolutely had to, it was far to high for our income, and probably still is.

We still spent a fair wedge though, sadly for us Beale picked the players and largely spent it on players not good enough.

This current boards main guys, ie Bisgrove as CEO and Bennet as chairman, to their credit, realised he was out his depth and sacked him, brought in a proven winner in Clement and hired a new DoF in Koppen,

This is the first summer they have had, we will have a far better idea if they were the right appointments in a years time.

However the painful truth is we won’t have the same cash to match our main rivals, not even close.
 
Wouldn't matter if we had a billion in the bank to play with.

Do you trust that board to appoint the right Head of Recruitment and the right scouts and the right manager?

Current manager may or may not be good enough. Was it a new manager bounce? Or is he a dud? Certainly wouldn't bin him, but we don't know the answer to that one yet.

But given the board's overall record, I wouldn't trust them to pick the winner of a snooker competition involving Ronnie O'Sullivan and thirty-one thalidomide victims.
 
We don’t need a billionaire owner, we don’t need to spend huge amounts of money. We need to spend it better. This summer there will be plenty to spend, based on a significant decrease in OpEx with numerous OOC exits, and potentially a double digit million £ sale of Butland.
 
They are but if you turnover £90m and you have to rely on loans you’re obviously paying your staff too many wages. That means we are recruiting the wrong players from the wrong leagues to play for us.

I agree on this. We are still suffering from various contracts


The board select the manager etc and as a result they have to take the blame when the people that they have paid to scout the best players fail to do so.


I wouldn’t say remarkable at all. Not many start ups have the advantage of having the amount of customers straight away. Also the events side only operates when they are open so they the vast majority of staff are zero hour cheap event staff.

The shop side is a strange one as it’s difficult to see if it’s castore making the money from that or us.

My point is that if we had access to £12m we should have been using that to fill a corner of the stadium. Would have been far better for ffp long term than a building with event space that is empty 300 days a year
What I've never been able to work out is why we pay such high wages for such a group of ordinary players?
I accept there's an element of paying competitive salaries to attract them to play in our very poor league etc but if you are on say £5k at a club then why offer £20k ?
They are entitled to an increase but not that much,

Anyone throw any light on that for me?
 
We don’t need a billionaire owner, we don’t need to spend huge amounts of money. We need to spend it better. This summer there will be plenty to spend, based on a significant decrease in OpEx with numerous OOC exits, and potentially a double digit million £ sale of Butland.
Clement (according to the media) says Butland should not be sold at any price

Butland is a very very good goalkeeper but his career down south didn't really reach any heights so will he want to head back so soon
 
What I've never been able to work out is why we pay such high wages for such a group of ordinary players?
I accept there's an element of paying competitive salaries to attract them to play in our very poor league etc but if you are on say £5k at a club then why offer £20k ?
They are entitled to an increase but not that much,

Anyone throw any light on that for me?
It all depends on what else is being offered by other clubs.

For example we would have had to go right to the top of our wage bracket to sign Butland, as he had offers to stay as a backup goalie in the EPL.

In addition, if we are trying to sign Bosman’s, players on a free tend to command higher salaries because agents know we don’t have to pay a transfer fee. They also tout the same players everywhere to dry and drive a harder bargain.

Then of course there’s the fact our scouting isn’t good enough and we are simply signing the wrong players
 
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We don’t need a billionaire owner, we don’t need to spend huge amounts of money. We need to spend it better. This summer there will be plenty to spend, based on a significant decrease in OpEx with numerous OOC exits, and potentially a double digit million £ sale of Butland.
There will not be plenty to spend, money will be tight lets not kid ourselves on about that.
 
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