Does the Manchester/Liverpool city rivalry trump the club rivalries?

The football rivalry didn't come into it until Liverpool started winning European cups. Up until then United were the only English club to achieve this. This angered the Man United support who previously regarded their club as untouchable in the importance stakes.
In the early to mid 70's, there was more hatred when Man U were playing Leeds even though the Stretford mob never challenged for the title. Their team was so poor the Red Army would regularly rampage through town centres at virtually every away game in that era.
 
Blues and Royals said:
The football rivalry didn't come into it until Liverpool started winning European cups. Up until then United were the only English club to achieve this. This angered the Man United support who previously regarded their club as untouchable in the importance stakes.
In the early to mid 70's, there was more hatred when Man U were playing Leeds even though the Stretford mob never challenged for the title. Their team was so poor the Red Army would regularly rampage through town centres at virtually every away game in that era.
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I remember the notoriety of the "Cockney Reds" back then. Which may have started the all Man U fans are from outside Manchester reputation.
 
OnTheWay said:
So are you a secret agent in the Hibs away end that's seen a few doing it?
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Since when does people I know sitting in GF1 hearing it then hibees arguing about it on their forum count as secret agent?

You’re having a shocker pal, tea and a biscuit and sit down.
 
UnionCruiser72 said:
Since when does people I know sitting in GF1 hearing it then hibees arguing about it on their forum count as secret agent?

You’re having a shocker pal, tea and a biscuit and sit down.
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You're most definetely full of it and clearly don't mind trying to stir it with bizarre, made up stories.
Have a good day.
 
OnTheWay said:
You're most definetely full of it and clearly don't mind trying to stir it with bizarre, made up stories.
Have a good day.
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Stewards at Ibrox

The leading forums for Hibs fans on the web for over 20 years - hibs.net
www.hibs.net

Heres another one of the game the following season including a song that says Union bears mind the stairs.

Anymore big chief?
 
UnionCruiser72 said:

Stewards at Ibrox

The leading forums for Hibs fans on the web for over 20 years - hibs.net
www.hibs.net

Heres another one of the game the following season including a song that says Union bears mind the stairs.

Anymore big chief?
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Did you read the links you provided there, chief?

The eye witness accounts on that thread are miles away from what you tried to imply. The songs being sung were on the subway after the game and a group trying to start it in Ibrox but getting told to clamp it.

Both threads full of people heavily against it as well as any IRA chanting. So I was right.
 
deedle said:
I spent quite some time down there in the 80s and was a bit taken aback at the hatred between the two cities.

The Glasgow-Edinburgh rivalry is nothing like it whatsoever - in football terms, that’s simply jealousy of more powerful clubs.

The Manchester-Liverpool divide involves much more than just football but I’m really not sure that it can be explained solely by the impact of the Ship Canal. Manchester developed a stronger industrial base with excellent transport links while Liverpool was very dependent on its role as a port. Possibly no other British city was more adversely affected by economic changes than Liverpool.

A myth seems to have developed that Liverpool was always a hotbed of left-wing politics but in the early 60s 6 out of 9 constituencies had been won by the Conservatives.
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I tend to agree, the Liverpool docks were still a major port up until I would say the early 70's with the introduction of the massive container ships which of course required less man power to unload.
 
No you weren’t? It was sung at two different games both outside and inside the ground.

The fact you seem fuming tells me you must have a wee hibee slapper on the go.
 
OnTheWay said:
Did you read the links you provided there, chief?

The eye witness accounts on that thread are miles away from what you tried to imply. The songs being sung were on the subway after the game and a group trying to start it in Ibrox but getting told to clamp it.

Both threads full of people heavily against it as well as any IRA chanting. So I was right.
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They were sung outside the ground and inside on two different occasions.

You’ve had a shocker pal but you’ll never admit it.
 
UnionCruiser72 said:
They were sung outside the ground and inside on two different occasions.

You’ve had a shocker pal but you’ll never admit it.
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"Hibs sing about the disaster" was never proven mate. Just an attempt at taking an incident/incidents in isolation and tarring the whole support with it to try and stir up an already tense tivalry between us and Hibs.

Its pretty similar to George Square where a few idiots tried to ruin the day and the media tried to tarnish the whole support for it.

Its pathetic.
 
OnTheWay said:
"Hibs sing about the disaster" was never proven mate. Just an attempt at taking an incident/incidents in isolation and tarring the whole support with it to try and stir up an already tense tivalry between us and Hibs.

Its pretty similar to George Square where a few idiots tried to ruin the day and the media tried to tarnish the whole support for it.

Its pathetic.
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Bit mental how someone in GF1 can hear it, hibs fans can then talk about how it happened.

Yet you’re still here arguing it didn’t, type of denial Paul the tim would be proud of.

Have a good day in the gallowgate sir.
 
UnionCruiser72 said:
Bit mental how someone in GF1 can hear it, hibs fans can then talk about how it happened.

Yet you’re still here arguing it didn’t, type of denial Paul the tim would be proud of.

Have a good day in the gallowgate sir.
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Who heard it from GF1 and what did they hear? Hibs fans gave a different account of your porkies.

That's cause the Hibs support never sang about the disaster. You lied and actually proved that yourself.

The gallowgate? Haha wit?

Like I said, a liar and a shit stirrer, most likely looking for attention.
 
BajanBear said:
Man U v Liverpool/Leeds the only two EPL games with proper bite. Even those are fading.

Compare that to us v everyone except possibly Livi, Ross County and Dundee.
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Don’t know so much Bajan. Newcastle Sunderland is quite aggressive, Villa Birmingham and various London derbies involving Spurs as well as Millwall v West Ham.
 
Conlig Loyal said:
I remember the notoriety of the "Cockney Reds" back then. Which may have started the all Man U fans are from outside Manchester reputation.
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The Cockney Reds were hundreds strong back in the day, but United attracted thugs from all over England. When they got relegated to the old 2nd division, they ran riot at places like Orient, York and Blackpool where there wouldn’t have been much resistance.
Another trait of theirs was to take over ‘ home ‘ ends at away games. I can remember them playing Sheffield Wednesday at Hillsbrough and United had almost all the Leppings Lane and the whole of the Spion Kop at the other end. Their away support back then was off the scale.
 
Fans of clubs always try and innitiate a "rivalry" with the countries biggest club.

Man U are Englands biggest club and have City, Liverpool and Leeds (possibly others) who will claim to be their rivals.

Up here, we are the biggest club. The filth have a rivalry with us only. We have been shoehorned into apparently having rivalries with them, the sheep and both dundee and edinburgh versions of hibernian.

Suppose it makes clubs feel good being a "rival" of the countries biggest club.
 
Fourladshadadream said:
Will you ever see a half and half oldfirm scarf.

That sums it up for me.
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Good point my friend will never happen ,although I remember late 60'searly 70,s maybie a bit later,but a charity game of football, I'm sure with a few old firm x stars,half rangers/ceptic top and the team were called Rantic,don't remember if it lasted too long?like the standard joke with the old firm using an ORANGE ball,was a 0-0 bore fest as the ceptic players wouldn't touch the ball and the Rangers players wouldn't kick it!
 
I’m not sure the city rivalry is as big as the club rivalries.
Liverpool and Utd are big rivals in a football sense. Because both cities are so close and because their satellite towns run into each other the population has naturally integrated.
I live in Merseyside but work in Manchester. I don’t see any animosity between Liverpudlians and Mancunians at work. They mix well. I know plenty of Mancunians who socialise in Liverpool city centre and vice versa.
The rivalry exists between the two cities in the same way that it exists between Glasgow and Edinburgh. It’s a friendly rivalry by and large and only ramped up when alcohol or football is involved.
 
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