He doesn't need the money, and like you said isn't getting another Prem job (though maybe a relegation candidate might take a punt on him at some point). I couldn't see him going down to the Championship, so if he gets sacked by Villa, that's probably that for his managerial career.
The cup results and the loss to Hamilton was extremely disappointing but I still maintain Celtic were awarded a title they didn't win, we were behind in the league but had a game in hand and an old firm game at Ibrox which if we won both would've put Celtic under serious pressure and we seen the following season how they capitulated under pressure. The job he done to get us back to champions was nothing short of remarkable from where we were prior to his arrival and I'd go as far to say our 55th title is the most important title we've ever won in our history. Gerrard had put Celtic back in their place and the board should've backed him after we became champions and they didn't or couldn't and that IMO resulted in him leaving.
Yeah..... England would be great for him. A good fit. So many forget our coefficient was 400 odds when he arrived and top 50 when he left... With mainly bosman signings.I can see him taking the England job eventually.
As his many EPL champion medals show, eh? 9 trophies in 17 years at Liverpool. Not bad, but 3 were League cups. And way fewer trophies than, e.g., Dalglish. Yes, Istanbul was amazing. But born winner? 17 years, not a single league winners medal. So nope, not in my eyes.SG is a born winner. For all his faults, he wanted to win every game as a player and as a manager with us.
He’s never going to understand his Villa players who are happy to see out a 1-1 draw away at Forest. And vice versa.
It’s not going to work.
All of what you say is true, but what I can’t believe is the way so many posters give him a free ride on leaving us in the lurch at the worst possible time. All his nice words about Rangers were just that. The truth is he didn’t give a damn about us as seen by how quickly he left.Can't believe this thread. Gerrard and Rangers were a perfect mix. A sleeping giant and a world famous footballer in his first big role.
It worked very well on a relative shoestring compared to the tims expenditure . Gerrard bought into the club but it was no secret he'd go to the prem.
Our European runs will become stuff of legend, we have punched a over our weight because of Gerrard. Yes, domestic cups were a weakness. Yes he should have won another league. How anyone can wish him ill as a Rangers fan is beyond me.
Listen to SG on the High Performance podcast and tell me he's not a winner or driven to succeed at whatever he does in life.As his many EPL champion medals show, eh? 9 trophies in 17 years at Liverpool. Not bad, but 3 were League cups. And way fewer trophies than, e.g., Dalglish. Yes, Istanbul was amazing. But born winner? 17 years, not a single league winners medal. So nope, not to my eyes.
It's not inconceivable that Villa will sack him and he ends up getting in at another EPL club - always potential sackings as teams like Wolves, Leeds, Forest and maybe even Leicester might look for a change, maybe less likely that he'd go further afield. I agree that he probably wouldn't drop down - he's always been at 'elite' level clubs, although you never know if a club gets big investment and he sees it as a project.He doesn't need the money, and like you said isn't getting another Prem job (though maybe a relegation candidate might take a punt on him at some point). I couldn't see him going down to the Championship, so if he gets sacked by Villa, that's probably that for his managerial career.
Words are cheap.Listen to SG on the High Performance podcast and tell me he's not a winner or driven to succeed at whatever he does in life.
And it's not just how quickly he left. If he'd left suddenly for the Liverpool job, I doubt that any Rangers supporter would have grudged him that.All of what you say is true, but what I can’t believe is the way so many posters give him a free ride on leaving us in the lurch at the worst possible time. All his nice words about Rangers were just that. The truth is he didn’t give a damn about us as seen by how quickly he left.
Don't forget what he walked into and where he left us either. Sure, we didn't do well in cups but the trajectory he has put the club on is a world away from the failed attempts by the 3 managers before him.Words are cheap.
Born winners win the big trophies (and as I said, he's zero for 17 in the EPL). And being driven to succeed isn't the same as actually succeeding!
Don't forget that he was 1 out of 9 at Rangers (and that's just for domestic competitions).
Words are cheap.
Born winners win the big trophies (and as I said, he's zero for 17 in the EPL). And being driven to succeed isn't the same as actually succeeding!
Don't forget that he was 1 out of 9 at Rangers (and that's just for domestic competitions).
Obviously he felt confident enough in his own abilities that he could transform Villa into a side challenging for Europe.He would have got another season.
I get that if he had gone to Liverpool, but he's gone to a club where he will more than likely be sacked, he'll win nothing and trash the good work he did with us
I think those days have passed with owners now being brutal, it’s not like when Dalglish and Souness managed Liverpool, to get the Liverpool job he will have to be successful at a lower level, like Lampard if he fails at Villa like yourself I believe he will get another chance in the EPL, just now SG works for two very wealthy owners at Villa, one a supposedly Billionaire, if results do not follow he will be gone as you don’t become very rich without being brutal.Listen to SG on the High Performance podcast and tell me he's not a winner or driven to succeed at whatever he does in life.
It's not inconceivable that Villa will sack him and he ends up getting in at another EPL club - always potential sackings as teams like Wolves, Leeds, Forest and maybe even Leicester might look for a change, maybe less likely that he'd go further afield. I agree that he probably wouldn't drop down - he's always been at 'elite' level clubs, although you never know if a club gets big investment and he sees it as a project.
He also said in that podcast IIRC that he didn't want to be managing for too long and would look at other things. There's always the option of big paydays in MLS or middle east with little risk if he's going to chuck it anyway.
My guess is he'll end up back at Liverpool in some capacity and be groomed to get his shot after Klopp goes. Even if his record is poor at lower clubs, he is Mr Liverpool and will be popular with their fans, and how could anyone not do OK with their resources.
If you'd bothered reading my first post, i said "Istanbul was amazing".FFS, the guy dragged his team single handedly to the most unlikely CL win in history,
He'd have won league titles if he'd followed the money and joined the better club teams of his era.
114 caps for England, many as captain, played at 6 major tournaments.
Led us to an unlikely 55th league title, against the odds, but not a winner in your eyes. What a load of unadulterated pish you're talking
Of course he’s a born winner what a ridiculous thing to say he wasn’t.As his many EPL champion medals show, eh? 9 trophies in 17 years at Liverpool. Not bad, but 3 were League cups. And way fewer trophies than, e.g., Dalglish. Yes, Istanbul was amazing. But born winner? 17 years, not a single league winners medal. So nope, not in my eyes.
Any chance you could let us know what manager we could've afforded that would've lifted us from where Gerrard lifted us from and taken us to champions and done it quicker yet you say I'm delusional. I'd like you to look at the facts and see how much we spent after becoming champions and you'll see that Gerrard wasn't backed after taking us to our 55th title which is quite possibly our most important title in our entire history.I’ve given Gerrard credit for that. 55 is irrelevant when we’re discussing the fact we were in free fall the season prior, to suggest we might have clawed it back given how unbelievably bad we are is delusion of the highest order, almost Yahoo! levels of delusion. It’s also irrelevant to the fact you absolutely flat out refuse to accept that he didn’t want players sold and got his wish. We had this discussion before and it took an age to even get you to acknowledge it through your red specs.
“The board are weak” you say, yet we all know if they had sold players against Gerrard’s wishes you’d have 100% blamed the board selling players for his subsequent failings. Basically whatever happens, it’s never Gerrards fault for you. Just look at your avatar ffs. He left like a theif in the night, he was well backed by the board, he won a brilliant title, but it was one big highlight amidst a lot of domestic disappointment (and in some cases, outright embarrassment), and if we hadn’t had two dud managers before him we could when gotten there sooner.
Contrary to what you think Gerrard’s not the only one who could have won that title, there are other managers who’d have won it and won more, and I suspect this will become clearer with his time at Villa without Beale, which might well show him to be a bit of an average manager (at best) in the grand scheme.
I had forgotten Beale had left.I can see him really struggling without Beale
So us achieving our record points total and going the league season undefeated to win our most important title is because the tramps got pished and took their success for granted,You have to be kidding surely.You can’t change the facts.
Had covid not hit then Gerrard was away and wouldn’t have won a thing, I personally wanted him gone after the Scottish cup performance at tynecastle.
What then happened is pretty simple, Gerrard remained professional and so did our players whilst the tramps got pished and took their success for granted - the rest is history.
Last season is a anomaly IMO.
Had he stayed we would have won the league but probably not got out the groups stages of Europe ( just my IMO ) but we would have been to far ahead of them.
As for Villa, I hope he succeeds but the problem he has is that he doesn’t play entertaining football and is very one dimensional which at times is boring.
Villa fans from what I read hate him because he is a scouser and a Liverpool fan who would jump the ship if they called, I remember one poster saying last year that his worry would be they were top of the league and Liverpool 3rd, they sack Klopp and he would go running so I can see where they are coming from tbh.
No it’s not because of that?So us achieving our record points total and going the league season undefeated to win our most important title is because the tramps got pished and took their success for granted,You have to be kidding surely.
Is that not what you said in your post that I replied toNo it’s not because of that?
Francis Jeffers scored 4 goals in 3 years at Arsenal and somehow won the PL. Is he more of a born winner than Gerrard because he won the PL with his club?If you'd bothered reading my first post, i said "Istanbul was amazing".
Yup, he played at six major tournaments with England. How many of those did he win?
If you think his record is that of a "born winner" (which is what I'm disputing), then we have very different definitions of that term.
Can you? I can't see anybody touching him if Villa sack him tbh.I can see him taking the England job eventually.
They were 16th when he took over.Nope
They were 14th when he took over
They finished 14th
If he gets sacked at villa I think it would be interesting.The thing is, if it carries on going tits up at Villa and the rumoured spat with Tyrone Mings is true, he'll get the sack fairly quickly. Villa fans aren't sold on him, a rift in the dressing room would kill his Villa career.
After Villa, where does he go? He can't go abroad, his missus/family won't move and he won't get another Prem job after flunking at Villa. So you'd reckon the Championship beckons for him.
Hope he turns it around, but it's not looking good for him at the moment.
I can't see Liverpool ever going down that route they will think with their head, not their heart.If he gets sacked at villa I think it would be interesting.
In a way I still think he'd get a chance at the liverpool job - managing liverpool is a lot closer to the demands of Rangers and situation compared to the rest of the league than a team like Villa, I don't necessarily think failing at villa means he'll fail at liverpool and I think he'll probably still be in for a shout. Should be a relatively easy 'transition' aswell as Gerrards style is very similar to how Liverpool play
But other than that my guess is he'd aim for the England job. I think he'd probably try to come back here aswell but that'd be a no go now, fans would say no, board would probably say no, and if we were going down the gerrard route again I feel like the better choice would be Beale.
Why would Villa sack him his remit was to keep them in the division which he done relatively comfortably. I really don't think they are gonna sack him.If he gets sacked at villa I think it would be interesting.
In a way I still think he'd get a chance at the liverpool job - managing liverpool is a lot closer to the demands of Rangers and situation compared to the rest of the league than a team like Villa, I don't necessarily think failing at villa means he'll fail at liverpool and I think he'll probably still be in for a shout. Should be a relatively easy 'transition' aswell as Gerrards style is very similar to how Liverpool play
But other than that my guess is he'd aim for the England job. I think he'd probably try to come back here aswell but that'd be a no go now, fans would say no, board would probably say no, and if we were going down the gerrard route again I feel like the better choice would be Beale.
This,was the right man at righr time,and thats it.As a support we really need to move on, he came, improved us and won 55
Can you? I can't see anybody touching him if Villa sack him tbh.
FFSAs his many EPL champion medals show, eh? 9 trophies in 17 years at Liverpool. Not bad, but 3 were League cups. And way fewer trophies than, e.g., Dalglish. Yes, Istanbul was amazing. But born winner? 17 years, not a single league winners medal. So nope, not in my eyes.
Nonsense. Aston Villa are a big club, they're just massively under achieving.Must be more than that. When he joined them all we read about was how massive they were.
A tiny team, I don't even remember their 90's cup wins or their most recent play off championship.
Hes the absolute darling of the English media so it would be portrayed as an unfair sacking and pushed HEAVILY for him to be considered for new roles. The clamour for a "young English manager" will win over any past failures.Can you? I can't see anybody touching him if Villa sack him tbh.
I think that is a pretty spot on assessment of his time with us. Europe you can not fault him and gets a 4/5 for it as he won some great games but we still had a few that performance was wanting.We were never catching the scum that season, absolutely deluded thinking otherwise. Them capitulating from October onwards the following season while level on points is in no way any indication they would have fucked up a 10 point lead, had we even won our game in hand.
He gave us 55 which was a great season but it should have been won the season before. He came back from the winter break, having been on cloud 9 before it by beating the scum at the piggery, in a weirdly bad mood and going way over the top in his criticism of the 2nd string side after an admittedly boring cup win, then we dropped 10 points in the following 8 games.
He was told during the Christmas of 2020, as we all were, we have to start selling players to bring in players kicking in the trading policy we strive for. Instead of doing that he didn't sell up and went in with the same team for the qualifiers unprepared. He came back in a stinking mood and the team suffered.
He was backed plenty then threw the toys out the pram the one summer he didn't get his way. You're posting some serious revisionism of Gwrrard's time here.
He brought some pride back and thrived on being the under dog in Europe. He eventually won the league and won it in style but there were plenty of lows and he doesn't seem to have progressed as manager in his 4 year stint as one.
And worked behind the scenes in the England set up for years after. I can't see Gerrard's ego letting him go from Rangers and Aston Villa manager to youth team of England to build up trust. Ain't happening.Southgate was sacked by Middlesbrough.
The media aren't pushing Gerrard for England unless he does well at Villa. If he gets sacked it's downhill from there.Hes the absolute darling of the English media so it would be portrayed as an unfair sacking and pushed HEAVILY for him to be considered for new roles. The clamour for a "young English manager" will win over any past failures.
If he gets sacked he'll get another job down there, easily.
Surely on WhatsApp from a mate who works or plays football with the tim?Was it from a Tim friend that has an uncle that works as a lawyer at villa?
We were never catching the scum that season, absolutely deluded thinking otherwise.
Gibberish. Accepting we more than likely wouldn't have caught them with 10 between us isn't the same as being okay with them being awarded it.Rangers fans rolling over and accepting the Bheggars being awarded a title when they still had to play us twice is, well, absolutely deluded.
Ten Hag to Man United proves that imo but he never saw it that way.I always believed that if he built a dominating rangers team up here, he would have had a far better chance of getting the Liverpool job than just getting by with a lower-mid EPL team.
Yep can’t see it. Or if he does it’s at best the job after next, definitely not succeeding Klopp.He will never manage Liverpool
That was last season's expectations, with them now giving him big money they will expect much more this season.Why would Villa sack him his remit was to keep them in the division which he done relatively comfortably. I really don't think they are gonna sack him.
Gibberish. Accepting we more than likely wouldn't have caught them with 10 between us isn't the same as being okay with them being awarded it.
Nonsense.
If you'd bothered reading my first post, i said "Istanbul was amazing".
Yup, he played at six major tournaments with England. How many of those did he win?
If you think his record is that of a "born winner" (which is what I'm disputing), then we have very different definitions of that term.
Because the chances of it happening were extremely slim.There's nothing "more than likely" about it. We had a game in hand and still to play them twice. Quite would you put that potential seven points gain as simply making it still "more than likely" the Behggars would have won, is one only you can answer.
Why is not "more than likely" than we would have scudded them twice, won our game in hand and then overhauled them as their arse collapsed and they dropped four points? Why is that not "more than likely"?