How much did we spend the year before?We didn't have anything to give Gerrard after winning the league.
He spent it the year before.
I was as desperate as anyone for Gio to be let go, I think domestically he was an awful manager (his tactics and subs were perplexing, never mind his Old Firm showings). Equally, I always had a feeling Beale would be a disaster because for all the talk of him being 'the brains behind Gerrard', those brains saw us struggle with the same shite almost every season.When you look back at it, it’s unreal the backing Beale received in comparison to Gio. And how chuffed fans were at Beale being the one to take his job.
That's an incredible comment. The players chucked it when?Some those players chucked it again this season when it mattered as well….. see the pattern
I was as desperate as anyone for Gio to be let go, I think domestically he was an awful manager (his tactics and subs were perplexing, never mind his Old Firm showings). Equally, I always had a feeling Beale would be a disaster because for all the talk of him being 'the brains behind Gerrard', those brains saw us struggle with the same shite almost every season.
People on here have very short memories, Gio might not have got the Beale budget but he still got to spend the guts of £15m did he not? I wouldn't class him as unlucky at all.
Chucked it/bottled it is the same thing and they've done it plenty.That's an incredible comment. The players chucked it when?
But not enough consonantsso may vowels
No club worth their salt can get by doing %^*& all in a modern day transfer market window.We didn't have anything to give Gerrard after winning the league.
He spent it the year before.
Our failure to improve and refresh the squad that summer, coupled with the defeat to Malmo is why Postecogleu is managing Spurs right now and why we're staring down the barrel or three in a row for them. A proper sliding doors moment.No club worth their salt can get by doing %^*& all in a modern day transfer market window.
The summer 2021 window was an abject disgrace where we failed to do anything of note from a position of strength. Those repercussions are still being felt
Absolutely. A total what if moment. Typical Rangers really of the last whileOur failure to improve and refresh the squad that summer, coupled with the defeat to Malmo is why Postecogleu is managing Spurs right now and why we're staring down the barrel or three in a row for them. A proper sliding doors moment.
Still nonsense.Chucked it/bottled it is the same thing and they've done it plenty.
The difference is during Gio's time here we sold Paterson, Bassey and Aribo for around £35m. He got us to a European final and qualified for the champions league and we never signed any of his first choices.See the next time GVB drops a hard-luck story about managing us while doing his punditry, can we scrutinise what we are saying please?
He did not get more than Beale, they both got the same amount to spend
Secondly, are we to believe he had absolutely *nothing* to do with a single one of the signings we made that summer?
That these players have bottled it in the past?Still nonsense.
Yep, some amount of revisionism on here.Gio's tactics for the domestic stuff were terrible and he refused to change them. That imv is why he lost the players and ultimately his job.
Passing the ball about the horseshoe hoping to draw teams out of their shape doesn't work for us. As we found out, Scottish opposition quite happy to sit in their shape and play for a point.
No club worth their salt can get by doing %^*& all in a modern day transfer market window.
The summer 2021 window was an abject disgrace where we failed to do anything of note from a position of strength. Those repercussions are still being felt
It's a combination of things, to say it's down to any one particular thing, or to say that players bottled it is too simplistic. Diomande being injured and missing the Ross County and Dundee was a contributory factor, as was the manager's team selection in light of that. Ultimately pressure will play a part, but the quality in certain areas, particularly when a player gets injured, evidently, hasn't been there. Since Diomande has returned, and playing alongside Lundstram things are better, but we still lack the necessary quality up front, and our defence maybe lacks the the quality we need it to be as well.That these players have bottled it in the past?
It's a combination of things, to say it's down to any one particular thing, or to say that players bottled it is too simplistic. Diomande being injured and missing the Ross County and Dundee was a contributory factor, as was the manager's team selection in light of that. Ultimately pressure will play a part, but the quality in certain areas, particularly when a player gets injured, evidently, hasn't been there. Since Diomande has returned, and playing alongside Lundstram things are better, but we still lack the necessary quality up front, and our defence maybe lacks the the quality we need it to be as well.
Dowell and Lawrence are not deep midfielders.We shouldn't need Diomande to beat Ross County and Dundee. A chance to go 2 points clear means the players selected should have been good enough to go and beat those 2.
Dowell and Lawrence are not deep midfielders.
We'd have been finalists and probably favourites to win it mateFair chance we’d have been playing in the CL tonight, had Gio got the team he wanted…
So they never chucked it under Beale at the start of this season or bottle it under pressure because they couldn't cope against Dundee/Ross County without Diomande?It's a combination of things, to say it's down to any one particular thing, or to say that players bottled it is too simplistic. Diomande being injured and missing the Ross County and Dundee was a contributory factor, as was the manager's team selection in light of that. Ultimately pressure will play a part, but the quality in certain areas, particularly when a player gets injured, evidently, hasn't been there. Since Diomande has returned, and playing alongside Lundstram things are better, but we still lack the necessary quality up front, and our defence maybe lacks the the quality we need it to be as well.
Yep, some amount of revisionism on here.
Gio had a worse away record than Motherwell not long before he was sacked. He couldn't get to grips with Scottish football and was too stubborn to change his tactics when they clearly werent working. His away record in general is piss poor across all clubs he managed and in all competitions except for Dortmund. The record was less than 50% before he was sacked and he had spells at Feyenoord where they went long runs without an away win.
He done really well in Europe until we collapsed in the Champions league beating all sorts of records you don't want to beat. His decision to take off a player that takes penalties for his country to put on a crock who shouldn't have been anywhere near the pitch never mind a penalty was a disgrace. Smacked of trying to be clever and in the end made him look stupid.
Some people like to give Gio every bit of credit for the good parts but blame the players and Ross Wilson for the bad parts. There is a reason he was managing and failed in China and is still sitting unemployed.
So, the selection in midfield for those games was okay then?So? The 11 picked in both games should have more than good enough to win those games.
As Sterling admitted afterwards the attitude and belief was all wrong, not the personnel .
You're saying they "chucked it", and I'm the one talking nonsense? Are you saying the match at Hampden against Hearts, for instance, was a game where Lundstram and Diomande played no significant part?So they never chucked it under Beale at the start of this season or bottle it under pressure because they couldn't cope against Dundee/Ross County without Diomande?
Mate, you're talking complete rubbish..
Let's not rewrite history that Gio shouldn't have been sacked when he did. But it's clear that he did not nearly get backed as much as he wanted when you look at Beale getting (in his own words) his "number one striker" and going out to Italy to get Dessers. He wanted Cifuentes to take us to "the next level". He was given a top goalkeeper in Butland. He was backed with what he wanted, Gio wasn't and was far more deserving of it.
So, the selection in midfield for those games was okay then?
Sakala was murder in Seville. The amount of times he made bad decisions and his team mates were losing the plot with him was ridiculous. We were a man down with him on.
Gio can be criticised for a lot of things. Hauling him off wasn't one of them. Absolutely no guarantee Sakala scores either. More likely he'd have ballooned it high and wide given how utterly shite he was when he was on.
If they'd given that money to Gio and he could clear out the deadwood we almost certainly would have done better in the league at least.Let's not rewrite history that Gio shouldn't have been sacked when he did. But it's clear that he did not nearly get backed as much as he wanted when you look at Beale getting (in his own words) his "number one striker" and going out to Italy to get Dessers. He wanted Cifuentes to take us to "the next level". He was given a top goalkeeper in Butland. He was backed with what he wanted, Gio wasn't and was far more deserving of it.
They should have cashed in but they also told everyone that we had insurance on covid which in not sure has ever been realised in the the accounts since.
After 55 I can understand to an extent but we needed 2 players that summer that were starters and to move a few on.
After getting to seville, getting bassey into amazing form and getting to cl we did not back gio he earned us basically 60 mill in 6 months, we spent 10-12 that summer on edminston house before any sponsorships came in for it later from park.
But damage was done we again went for punts mainly ridvan is actually starting to be player we wanted if not so injury prone.
The board were delighted to post a profit while the team had needed surgery for 2 years. It should have been delayed until we were winning .
I'm similar I think the parks had a major impact on the change in how we operated but probably also some of the players attitudes ie renewing contacts or moving on.
Our recruitment has killed us Wilson was poor but I think he also was restricted by the board the bacuna deal made us money but a club or size taking a player for free with a 50% sell on it was creative at least.
He was taken off 2 mins before the penalties. It was all so Gio could get Ramsay to take a penalty and nothing to do with Sakala not playing well.Sakala was murder in Seville. The amount of times he made bad decisions and his team mates were losing the plot with him was ridiculous. We were a man down with him on.
Gio can be criticised for a lot of things. Hauling him off wasn't one of them. Absolutely no guarantee Sakala scores either. More likely he'd have ballooned it high and wide given how utterly shite he was when he was on.
Lundstram I get but was basically a replacement for Davis who we couldn't really do without at the timeTbf we signed Lundstram and Sakala who were supposed to be difference makers, despite arriving on Bosman's. I think we should have cased in on 1 of the big hitters (Morelos, Kent, Sakala, Aribo) that summer and reinvested just to freshen things up, but Gerrard apparently didn't want to see his squad broken up and took the huff that funds weren't available.
If it’s true then he’s weak for not making it clear while he was here instead of crying about it years down the line.I think the sound bites from Gio in recent weeks about not being backed and not getting the players he wanted have kind of confirmed to me why he wasn’t the man for the job.
I don’t disbelieve anything he’s saying but he came across to me as someone who was very passive and too nice. What exactly was he doing or saying when Ross Wilson was fostering absolute guff signings on him? I’d like to think a decent manager would have been campaigning to get Wilson and his recruitment team so far to feck.
It was like when we had a shocker of a refereeing performance he’d refuse to even criticise and appeared really mealy mouthed.
I mean, what are you talking about?You're saying they "chucked it", and I'm the one talking nonsense? Are you saying the match at Hampden against Hearts, for instance, was a game where Lundstram and Diomande played no significant part?
Am I? Refer me to where I even slightly mention the Hearts game in terms of "bottle"?I mean, what are you talking about?
You're picking out the Hearts game as an example of them not bottling it, after they'd bottled it against Motherwell, the scum and Ross County? Sound logic.
Gio was a cup manager. He knows how to win a 2 legged tie. He sees it as a game of chess over 180 minutes and he’s dn good at it. He set us up for a 1-0 loss in Braga for example. One they would have been happy with too.For a number of reasons, Gio is the unluckiest manager we've ever had.
To be honest, I don't have a f**King clue what point you're even attempting to make looking back over the posts.Am I? Refer me to where I even slightly mention the Hearts game in terms of "bottle"?
I agree, makes you wonder why they didn’t make the money Beale got available to Gio.Beale was Parks preferred candidate and summer spending was all agreed on offering him the post as part of an overall board decision. A shit show generally occurs because of a terrible decision, and it's incredible how anyone could think Beale would be a better option than Gio.
because the chairman said in the accounts we invested 21 mill into the playing squad in the summer. Though that will include wages.Why are people still saying Beale had more money to spend than GVB?
I'm assuming this is being conflated with our lack of business in the summer prior to GVB joining later