Kemar Roofe - First Choice ?

Just another player in recent yaers who had massive potential if it wasn't for injuries.
Nowhere near the starting 11 but the type you could see pulling off a game winner if brought on around 60,70 minutes.
Jack is another.
 
Bigbluebear said:
He was fucking awful against Dundee. If that game was played when it was meant to be played then Dessers would have likely started and we may well have won, and be in a much better position.
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There's no doubt he's a decent finisher but he seems to be vastly over rated. His overall game isn't great. He started at Parkhead under Gio and was anonymous, he also started in the 2-1 defeat v them when Ramsay scored and offered nothing. Both games he was subbed. In the very few appearances he's had for us, he seems to be all over the place and constantly trying to come into the midfield.
 
Northampton Lodger said:
Really struggling to remember if he was ever seen as our first choice striker. Missed so many games through injury has made it harder to recall for me. I think he is an excellent finisher and works very hard for the team . I have no recollection of him playing say 10 or 12 games in a row.
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He never really longest run was 7 starts in a row

Was he not Gerrard’s most expensive signing after Kent ? Which is quite an achievement since he signed about 40 players. Gerrard was desperate to sign him

We took a gamble on damaged goods., there was a reason Anderlecht took a hit of over £3million the season after signing him.

Gerrard said something along the lines of Roofe being his best striker, Morelos took the huff and rather than knuckling down basically chucked it as a proffessional footballer. His career went on the slide as he preferred drinking and partying than training.

Roofe should have been a one season wonder and offloaded back to the Championship on a high.
 
I'd be quite happy if Roofe doesn't kick another ball for us the rest of the season. I'd have Dessers playing instead of him every day of the week.

He's been given the benefit of the doubt he simply doesn't deserve.

We've had supporters pleading "If he can just give us a few months...weeks...games...minutes..." and he's gave us absolutely nothing in return. Two years this has been going on for.

Weeks away from him finally getting told to bolt and drain wages elsewhere and we're still at it.

A lot's been said about the support this week. But we deserve better than that guy.
 
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Angrybluebear said:
He never really longest run was 7 starts in a row

Was he not Gerrard’s most expensive signing after Kent ? Which is quite an achievement since he signed about 40 players. Gerrard was desperate to sign him

We took a gamble on damaged goods., there was a reason Anderlecht took a hit of over £3million the season after signing him.

Gerrard said something along the lines of Roofe being his best striker, Morelos took the huff and rather than knuckling down basically chucked it as a proffessional footballer. His career went on the slide as he preferred drinking and partying than training.

Roofe should have been a one season wonder and offloaded back to the Championship on a high.
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When we signed him I was in the company of a Leeds season ticket holder. He said he would score a barrowload and that he was annoyed when he left Leeds for Belgium.
 
The current challenge in a long list of challenges with Roofe is that he’s on a free transfer in a number of weeks, we know he’s made of glass, he knows he’s made of glass but he needs to keep himself fit enough to pass a medical for whoever is crazy enough to offer him a deal. No way he’s risking another injury by giving us 100%.

I wouldn’t even have him in the squad, a waste of a shirt due to the above.
 
Even his hair transplant gets injured ffs :D

Unfortunate as he was a very good player for us. He's scored some great and important goals for us, Betis away this season sees him get enough goodwill from me to see his contract out and get a massive send off.
 
SDF said:
I'd be quite happy if Roofe doesn't kick another ball for us the rest of the season. I'd have Dessers playing instead of him every day of the week.

He's been given the benefit of the doubt he simply doesn't deserve.

We've had supporters pleading "If he can just give us a few months...weeks...games...minutes..." and he's gave us absolutely nothing in return. Two years this has been going on for.

Weeks away from him finally getting told to bolt and drain wages elsewhere and we're still at it.

A lot's been said about the support this week. But we deserve better than that guy.
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Even until about a month ago there were fans constantly on here giving it ‘I know he’s been injured for almost two years but it he just gives us 8 weeks we’ll win the league’ when he’s never been fit for that long in his entire Rangers career.

Same as posters saying ‘Phil will get something from him by managing his minutes’ when there are no fucking minutes to manage!
 
The Sasa Shuffle said:
Even until about a month ago there were fans constantly on here giving it ‘I know he’s been injured for almost two years but it he just gives us 8 weeks we’ll win the league’ when he’s never been fit for that long in his entire Rangers career.

Same as posters saying ‘Phil will get something from him by managing his minutes’ when there are no fucking minutes to manage!
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He’s been absolutely shite when coming on as well.

In all honesty, I’m just absolutely scunnered with this squad apart from maybe three of them.

Diomande, Butland and Sterling - wouldn’t care in the slightest if any of the rest of them got punted.
 
I would happily drive him and Ben Davies to wherever they wanted to go and leave them there.
 
Northampton Lodger said:
Really struggling to remember if he was ever seen as our first choice striker. Missed so many games through injury has made it harder to recall for me. I think he is an excellent finisher and works very hard for the team . I have no recollection of him playing say 10 or 12 games in a row.
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He's more Ryanair.

For me if he's fit he has to start. Play Sima and him together and put their back 4 under pressure.

Attack the weakest point of the enemy!
 
Sadly, I gave up on KR when I was told there's a treatment table in Auchenhowie named after him.
 
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Sticky said:
He's more Ryanair.

For me if he's fit he has to start. Play Sima and him together and put their back 4 under pressure.

Attack the weakest point of the enemy!
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Fucking hell, ‘if he’s fit’!

He’s not been fit for over two years and has been anonymous in his appearances this season barring one moment against Betis and you want to throw him on in a make or break game at the Piggery?
 
Milel Bohsni said:
I read somewhere recently he's cost £169k per start for us this season. Like a good few others the time is up for him.
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Over the course of his time at Rangers, we have paid out more than £250,000 per Kemar Roofe goal.

His wage is reportedly £1,352,000 p/a so that's £5,408,000 over 4 years. His transfer fee was £4,500,000 and he'll be leaving for nothing this summer that's a total investment of £9,908,000 for a return of 38 goals. ~£260k per goal.

We have definitely wasted larger amounts of money on worse players than Kemar. I always liked him as a player and wish it had worked out differently. But jeezo, we really have to be more careful assessing the medical histories of prospective players in future.
 
The Sasa Shuffle said:
He’s been a disaster of a signing. His only good season came the one we didn’t really need him.
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Not sure how you quantify him being a disaster.

He played a huge role in us winning the one league title we have in 14 years.

He was fantastic in the semi final of the one Scottish Cup we've won in 15 years.

He scored crucial European goals on the route to the one European Final we've had in 16 years. Most notably v Braga.

And that's before his smaller contributions like the goal in Betis that was worth millions.

He's been far from a disaster.

It hasn't worked out but disaster is a bit hyperbolic.
 
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robbo89 said:
Over the course of his time at Rangers, we have paid out more than £250,000 per Kemar Roofe goal.

His wage is reportedly £1,352,000 p/a so that's £5,408,000 over 4 years. His transfer fee was £4,500,000 and he'll be leaving for nothing this summer that's a total investment of £9,908,000 for a return of 38 goals. ~£260k per goal.

We have definitely wasted larger amounts of money on worse players than Kemar. I always liked him as a player and wish it had worked out differently. But jeezo, we really have to be more careful assessing the medical histories of prospective players in future.
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You're ignoring the fact a few of his goals earned us a lot of money though. So you can't really have that simplistic a view through money terms alone. For example the goal in Betis made us millions and would significantly bring down the "cost per goal" of Roofe if you were looking at it from that angle.
 
cooprfc said:
You're ignoring the fact a few of his goals earned us a lot of money though. So you can't really have that simplistic a view through money terms alone. For example the goal in Betis made us millions and would significantly bring down the "cost per goal" of Roofe if you were looking at it from that angle.
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It's very easy to work out expenditure-per-goal as I did above. It's much harder to quantify income-per-goal like you've just tried to do.

Take what you've said there, "the goal in Betis made us millions."

The ball falls to Roofe 3 yards out from the goal. Are we saying that his final touch to send it into the net is the one that's worth millions and the corner delivery from Borna, the head on from Davies and the cut-back from Goldson are worth nothing?

Or do we need to work out the value of each of those touches in creating the chance for Roofe and then subtract them from the millions that the goal earned?

Then you've got to look the other goals that game from Sima and Dessers that game, and all the goals Rangers scored in the group stage that allowed that goal to be the one to send us through. Do we work out their approximate value and subtract them from the millions that Roofe's Betis goal was worth?

It's a pointless rabbit hole to go down.

All we can say is that while we have paid £260k per goal from Roofe, he has absolutely contributed to the financial success of the club through prize money earned, TV money, shirt sales and he has helped us win trophies.

Like I said in my post, we have wasted larger amounts of money on worse players than Kemar. I agree with you that Roofe was not a disaster. My fag-packet maths was just a quick demonstration of how expensive it is when we spend big money on injury prone players.
 
Should only be utilised as a last resort if we have no strikers able continue the game.

Even at that, what likely impact will he have given his fitness level, or lack thereof?

Will be good to get him finally off the books.
 
cooprfc said:
Not sure how you quantify him being a disaster.

He played a huge role in us winning the one league title we have in 14 years.

He was fantastic in the semi final of the one Scottish Cup we've won in 15 years.

He scored crucial European goals on the route to the one European Final we've had in 16 years. Most notably v Braga.

And that's before his smaller contributions like the goal in Betis that was worth millions.

He's been far from a disaster.

It hasn't worked out but disaster is a bit hyperbolic.
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You’re applauding him for occasionally doing his job.
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robbo89 said:
It's very easy to work out expenditure-per-goal as I did above. It's much harder to quantify income-per-goal like you've just tried to do.

Take what you've said there, "the goal in Betis made us millions."

The ball falls to Roofe 3 yards out from the goal. Are we saying that his final touch to send it into the net is the one that's worth millions and the corner delivery from Borna, the head on from Davies and the cut-back from Goldson are worth nothing?

Or do we need to work out the value of each of those touches in creating the chance for Roofe and then subtract them from the millions that the goal earned?

Then you've got to look the other goals that game from Sima and Dessers that game, and all the goals Rangers scored in the group stage that allowed that goal to be the one to send us through. Do we work out their approximate value and subtract them from the millions that Roofe's Betis goal was worth?

It's a pointless rabbit hole to go down.

All we can say is that while we have paid £260k per goal from Roofe, he has absolutely contributed to the financial success of the club through prize money earned, TV money, shirt sales and he has helped us win trophies.

Like I said in my post, we have wasted larger amounts of money on worse players than Kemar. I agree with you that Roofe was not a disaster. My fag-packet maths was just a quick demonstration of how expensive it is when we spend big money on injury prone players.
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I do get what you're saying.

I just don't think anyone can really be judged by their price tag/wages v goals as those goals earn the club access to money.

It's like saying the money you spent on a house and doing it up but not mentioning the fact you actually made all the money back when you sold it.

He has contributed for his money into practically everything good we've done in the past 15 years.

Not sure the goals v wages is a necessary thing to do.
 
The Sasa Shuffle said:
You’re applauding him for occasionally doing his job.
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Believe me I'm not applauding Roofe.

Just saying calling him a disaster isn't accurate. He's helped us win things and made us money in doing so with some big goals.

Wouldn't call him a good servant but not a disaster either.
 
cooprfc said:
I do get what you're saying. I just don't think anyone can really be judged by their price tag/wages v goals as those goals earn the club access to money.

It's like saying the money you spent on a house and doing it up but not mentioning the fact you actually made all the money back when you sold it.

He has contributed for his money into practically everything good we've done in the past 15 years.

Not sure the goals v wages is a necessary thing to do.
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That's an apt comparison except it kind of highlights my point - we won't make any money back because we aren't selling him. He's leaving on a free, we get nothing back of the £9,908,000 we have invested through his transfer fee + wages and that means that his 38 goals have cost us 260k a piece.

I totally agree with you that he has contributed a lot to every recent bit of silverware we have and I absolutely do not look at Roofe as a disastrous signing.

We just need to be a bit more savvy in future with how we spend our money. We can't sign players who are such a major injury risk. And we need to target a younger profile of player so we have a better chance of recouping our money on a transfer fee or even making a profit.

It's obviously nothing groundbreaking what I'm saying. I think most Rangers fans are very aware the club needs to be more savvy in our player trading. I think most fans see we need to build a successful player trading model which will involve signing and developing younger players to sell for a profit.

It seems like Clement and Koppen are already starting to implement that approach going from what they have said. Hopefully Diomande (and maybe Cortes) will be the first of a wave of younger talent that we bring in and we see a major reduction to the endless injuries the squad has struggled with.

I just hope we can get the balance right of building that player trading model while continuing to fight for silverware. Clement certainly seems like the man for the job so far, I've got faith he can do it if the board back him.
 
cooprfc said:
Believe me I'm not applauding Roofe.

Just saying calling him a disaster isn't accurate. He's helped us win things and made us money in doing so with some big goals.

Wouldn't call him a good servant but not a disaster either.
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He helped us to two (I’m not counting this season’s LC as he didn’t feature) trophies in 4 years. One of which we won at a canter and would have won without him.

Maybe if we had a big money forward who wasn’t permanently injured we would have won more?
 
prsoandnovo222 said:
it's a myth that he's a great finisher imo.There has been games when he's been fit and he's been anonymous.
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You can be anonymous and still be a great finisher. But he’s definitely not on the level some people think, I’m thinking guys who say we got him because of his injuries as though he’d be a premier league star if he was always fit.
 
The Sasa Shuffle said:
He helped us to two (I’m not counting this season’s LC as he didn’t feature) trophies in 4 years. One of which we won at a canter and would have won without him.

Maybe if we had a big money forward who wasn’t permanently injured we would have won more?
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Absolutely. All I'm saying is calling him a disaster is a bit much.
 
He always needed 2/3 games to get his touch and mojo back after the next new “calf issue”, unfortunately for us he would get injured in one of those 2/3 games and so the circle of life continued on repeat.

Scored some good goals, important goals, big part of 55 season but equally has spent too long out draining a valuable wage we could invest elsewhere. Wont lose any sleep when he leaves.

League 1 oblivion awaits….just hope the treatment tables are comfy.
 
cooprfc said:
Not sure how you quantify him being a disaster.

He played a huge role in us winning the one league title we have in 14 years.

He was fantastic in the semi final of the one Scottish Cup we've won in 15 years.

He scored crucial European goals on the route to the one European Final we've had in 16 years. Most notably v Braga.

And that's before his smaller contributions like the goal in Betis that was worth millions.

He's been far from a disaster.

It hasn't worked out but disaster is a bit hyperbolic.
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I’m sure there would have been one or two more players out there who could have managed those goals & performances.

Indeed those same players may have stayed fit, scored in other games, won us more trophies and earned the club further money.

At a time when finances have been tight, the expenditure on Roofe vs. return has been disastrous.

The most galling thing is that he isn’t the only one of recent times.
 
Otis Blue said:
Probably the only player to score against celtic by using his chest.

And probably the only part of his anatomy that’s not been injured.
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Personally, I think his unavailability extends beyond physical limitations at times.

I’m sure Gerrard made a veiled reference to this previously. The player appears to break-down very easily.

Perhaps that’s unfair & I don’t mean him any ill-will, but he should’ve been moved on by the Club long before now.
 
So Mote It Be said:
Personally, I think his unavailability extends beyond physical limitations at times.

I’m sure Gerrard made a veiled reference to this previously. The player appears to break-down very easily.

Perhaps that’s unfair & I don’t mean him any ill-will, but he should’ve been moved on by the Club long before now.
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How could he be moved on?

Who on earth is buying a permanently injured player on big money? Absolutely nobody.
 
Barrymoped said:
How could he be moved on?

Who on earth is buying a permanently injured player on big money? Absolutely nobody.
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I never mentioned selling him?

More than one way to skin a cat, granted difficult to do contractually if he’s not prepared to do a deal to be released & try his luck elsewhere.
 
Will be delighted to see the back of him. I wish him no ill, but he's been a scandalous waste of money when you weigh it up.

At least if we'd paid him off early we'd have avoided the ongoing expenses of some of his 'treatment'. Remember the instagram posts about how his visits to a specialist clinic in Belgium were going to sort him out? Sitting at home with that special boot on? A complete waste of time, effort and club resources, all of which could have been diverted to more worthwhile causes.
 
So Mote It Be said:
I never mentioned selling him?

More than one way to skin a cat, granted difficult to do contractually if he’s not prepared to do a deal to be released & try his luck elsewhere.
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He also isn’t giving up his high salary for a reduced rate, why would he? It’s fanciful thinking. I know I certainly wouldn’t in his shoes.

Nobody else is signing him while he is constantly injured.

The club absolutely have to take the blame for signing a guy with his injury record to begin with, but I’m really not sure we can criticise them for not being able to get rid of him in recent times.
 
How many goals does dessers need to score for people to accept that he is the managers first choice?

If tav didn’t hit the pens he’d be on 30 plus!

Score us the winner big man!
 
KensingtonBlue said:
He's the best finisher at the club (possibly in the league) but his body has clearly broken down

His injuries have probably taken a toll and lead to his body being much weaker even when 'injury free'.

But if we need a goal in the last 10 mins on Saturday I'd still fancy him 1 vs 1 with the keeper over the rest of our options. Stranger things have happened
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If you don’t ever play and are always injured how can you still be the best finisher in the league?

Hes finished %^*& all!
 
When is his contract actually up? There should be absolutely no consideration given to extending it unless we are getting money from some kind of sports science investigation programme.
 
prsoandnovo222 said:
it's a myth that he's a great finisher imo.There has been games when he's been fit and he's been anonymous.
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There is a difference from being a great finisher to being anonymous.

He was the best finisher we’ve had recently (well for one season) in the league.

He scored all manner of goals and generally didn’t waste chances.

During 55 he had 14 goals from 18 starts, his conversion rate was 29%. Morelos was at 15% Colak’s record wasn’t bad but still only conversion rate of 18%. Kyogo is sitting at 14% this season but was 31% last season and 28% his first season. Defoe was only about 25%.
 
weetam3106 said:
When is his contract actually up? There should be absolutely no consideration given to extending it unless we are getting money from some kind of sports science investigation programme.
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End of June I think?

There’s absolutely no debate to be had here mate, it’s one area FF actually has universal agreement, there’s not a chance in hell Roofe will be here after that.

His high salary can be used to much greater effect if Koppen can find us someone who can actually stay fit for most of the games.
 
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