Looks like we will have to beat them at their midden to win the league.

academical said:
This is the nub of it (and not, as a previous poster claimed, the draw v Celtic at Ibrox).

If Rangers had won the games in Dingwall and Dundee … and, going by data, I expected them to, even though most of you guys who watch Rangers regularly weren’t surprised by those results … it would barely be a title race. Rangers would be two points ahead, and just needing a draw at Parkhead to secure the title.

I actually think Rangers are likely to win at Parkhead. Clement’s learning curve points in that direction, and I believe he’s a superior manager to Rodgers. If Rangers score first, they’ll win.

But that may not be enough.

Clement has dragged Rangers back into it. The consensus on here was the league was over in October. A 7 point gap is now only 3. But at one point, Rangers were actually ahead - 8 points dropped in March/April has handed the initiative back to Celtic. All that’s left is hope.
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Celtic game too. We just can’t beat them, home or away. Roofe goal should have stood at Ibrox, we should have had a penalty at Parkhead and we’ve seen plenty goals that stood similar to Dessers a few weeks back, that was chopped off by VAR.

No excuses for Motherwell (the guy that scored the winner should have been sent off), Ross County and Dundee.

We’ll see if Clement has learned his lesson in the line up, although his hands maybe tied (well they will be because no way Sima makes this).
 
Reality is that we blew the chance to be in control of our own destiny.

We need to beat them and hope that they slip up elsewhere. A big ask with 4 games left but we keep believing.
 
Got a feeling we will look back at this season a lot how I look back our failed 10 season.

Too many dropped daft points. Defeats at home to Aberdeen and Motherwell. The Ross County and Dundee debacle as we hand them the league by a few points when we could have been out of sight.
 
Cooper's left peg said:
Exactly.

The winner will the one who is the slightly least shittiest.

Two really poor teams who are generally awful to watch.

I still say we blew it by not taking 3 points at Ibrox against them. Ross County was the final nail in the coffin for me.

And my opinion is that this lot are not capable of doing anything at the Piggery other than shit the bed and collapse.
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It was the Motherwell game at Ibrox for me. We had the chance to really prove we were the real deal. They weren’t coming back from 5.
 
CaptainCourageous said:
Celtic game too. We just can’t beat them, home or away.
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Back to Mr Obvious’ point in the OP. Need to win at Parkhead.

Forget what happened before Clement arrived. Two games v. Celtic since then: away defeat 1-2; home draw 3-3. Next game has to be a win, or what you say is true. Clement knows this. I think he’ll find a way to win.
 
I’m afraid I have no faith in our current squad at present. Today and in fact for some time the weaknesses have been all too clear. Key players injured, senior squad players going off form and others set for an exit. There’s only so much you can do with the players we have, we are all but running on empty.

Be just typical if we beat them at the crime scene and lose to Dundee at home or hearts on the last day.

Just don’t see anyone grab the game by the scruff of the neck and make a difference but I’ll try and keep the faith until it’s arithmetically done.
 
Cooper's left peg said:
Yep. Fucked it that day.

Regardless of the "comeback" that everyone was waxing lyrical about, I was completely deflated. We needed 3 points that day. Anything less signalled failure.

We saw enough in that first half to tell you that these players didn't have the winning mentality.
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Not exactly.

We should have an extra 5 points from Ross County and Dundee and that draw would not be so much a disaster.
 
wee_bear said:
We will need to win the 4 games, any more dropped points and it’s theirs, hopefully we can put in a good performance against Kilmarnock next week.
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Before today, realistically we had to win our five remaining league games and then probably hope to snatch the title on goal difference.
Now, we need to win only four to be in with a chance.
Am I an optimist, or a deluded fool?
 
academical said:
Back to Mr Obvious’ point in the OP. Need to win at Parkhead.

Forget what happened before Clement arrived. Two games v. Celtic since then: away defeat 1-2; home draw 3-3. Next game has to be a win, or what you say is true. Clement knows this. I think he’ll find a way to win.
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I wish I held your optimism.

Unfortunately your prediction for the last old firm never came true.

We lose the league and Clement has to win the Scottish Cup Final.
 
Having witnessed first hand many league titles I have to say we don’t look like champions. In every one of those seasons there were a few shock results and several late goals.

I think if we are all over a team and they break away and score or their keeper is MOTM then that’s just football. Dundee and Ross County played as well as us. St Mirren had as many chances as us. If they had equalised right at the end it wouldn’t have surprised me.

We don’t have any players who are natural winners and it shows.
 
Bookies now have the scum at 2/9 odds on for titles.
That's an indication of how hard a task we now have.
We were favourite just a few weeks ago.
 
Given the state Beale left us in this very season, we should be nowhere near the title. Clement is doing the best he can with the mess he was handed. You can see that we're mentally tired - every game until the end of the season will be a hard slog.
 
The league is done, we’ve thrown it away again with the Ross County and Dundee games.

We don’t have the bottle to go to Parkhead and win.
 
I hate to say it but Celtic wouldnt even need to come out onto the pitch at the Piggery and we would still shite it, end up scoring an old goal and getting beat.
 
academical said:
Back to Mr Obvious’ point in the OP. Need to win at Parkhead.

Forget what happened before Clement arrived. Two games v. Celtic since then: away defeat 1-2; home draw 3-3. Next game has to be a win, or what you say is true. Clement knows this. I think he’ll find a way to win.
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We needed to win at Ibrox and were fortunate not to be out of the game by half-time. We responded to that draw by picking up 1pt in games vs. County + Dundee to hand over the momentum.

The players have demonstrated fragility on a number of occasions at Parkhead.

As for Clement finding a way… it appears he won’t change our set-up but might shuffle the personnel while still playing the same way.

I think he needs to deviate from his norm and even go 4-4-2, for example.

As hard as it is to admit, I don’t see much room for positivity. The eye test confirms how poor we are playing.
 
I don’t like this talk of players leaving, negotiating contracts etc. Is this why we look insipid. Are the players protecting themselves for their next move? Because honestly we are hard to watch. The injury situation is atrocious.
There seems to be a lack of fight and intensity.
They might be struggling but we need to win all our games.
Sorry I just don’t see it.
 
Fair play to anyone who thinks we might still win the league but It's certainly ignoring track records and the horrific performances against Celtic that certain players specialise in.

As soon as we made it to the top we couldn't cope with it.
In front of a partisan Ibrox crowd we couldn't beat Celtic and dropped 5 points after that.

It should have been all over but we've once again stood back and gave them an open goal.
 
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Bear of Burnside said:
We would need to be at least 5 goals ahead of them going into the last game for me to feel remotely confident.

Realistically we need to beat them and hope they drop elsewhere.

Unbelievable we could win all our games and still not win the league but here we are.
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If there's a way this team could find to utterly %^*& it up, they'll find it.
 
Davie Weir Loyal said:
It's good we beat st mirren by 1 goal to help our goal difference
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Whilst your point is not lost, they had the game this weekend where you are banking on building up the GD. We had the potential banana skin. And we both only won by 1.

But yes, still advantage them

I still think GD will have shit all to do with it.

Will be won on points.

38 weeks of fretting about GD will once again be wasted energy for some.
 
ferguson said:
They are far from a cert to take maximum points. Drew with Aberdeen last week and would have lost had it not been for a disgraceful refereeing performance. Most matches seem to be a struggle for them.
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They are a struggle for us as well... Our recent form is shambolic
 
I wonder if we get a draw there and then take it down to the final two games.

They have to go to Killie away, then last day, you never know.
 
I admire the optimism, but no ref will allow us to beat that lot at the piggery. We saw that in the last game there, where every trick in the book was played by the peasants and their officials to grab all the 3 points.
 
Lainey Love said:
We are both playing shite but managing to scrape through.

With their biggest game outwith us being Killie away and us still to go to Hearts I reckon the league will be won or lost in the game against them on the 11th

I’m sure we are capable of winning there and of beating Hearts the following week but we really need to find some form.
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90 points wins is the league - but we might only need 88 or less if they lose elsewhere.
 
Northampton Lodger said:
Having witnessed first hand many league titles I have to say we don’t look like champions. In every one of those seasons there were a few shock results and several late goals.

I think if we are all over a team and they break away and score or their keeper is MOTM then that’s just football. Dundee and Ross County played as well as us. St Mirren had as many chances as us. If they had equalised right at the end it wouldn’t have surprised me.

We don’t have any players who are natural winners and it shows.
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There's no way this team goes to Tynecastle on the last day and winning knowing we'd be in with a chance of the league. They don't have the minerals.
 
We were in prime position a few weeks ago and the players and manager have shat it, quite simple!! Both seriously at fault. Don’t give a %^*& about cups, the league was there to be won and we bottled it
 
Crouchy said:
I wonder if we get a draw there and then take it down to the final two games.

They have to go to Killie away, then last day, you never know.
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There’s still plenty of games to be played.

Killie and Hearts are probably more likely to beat them than we are. I still think a point at Parkhead could be enough but we would need results to go in our favour and a massive push in the last 4 games.
 
marsden bear said:
We were in prime position a few weeks ago and the players and manager have shat it, quite simple!! Both seriously at fault. Don’t give a %^*& about cups, the league was there to be won and we bottled it
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I think that’s largely fair.

If you’d asked me in November about a title race, I’d have been delighted. Fast forward to April, I agree, we’ve shat the bed when it matters most.

You can’t lose games to Motherwell, County and draw with Dundee in a 4 week period whilst in the business end of the season - it’s criminal.
 
I actually do think we can go to Parkhead and at least get a draw.
I also don’t think celtic will win all their other games.
Having said that, I have no idea what we will do in our remaining games.
 
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