Never really get these comparisons one playing as a 6 expected to dictate the temp the other playing as an 8 or a 10. Lundstram won us 7/9 points last season or so with his goal contribution. Anyone playing in that position I would expect 9 goals but that might just be me.
Lundstram negative league goals contribution in the League
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Never really get these comparisons one playing as a 6 expected to dictate the temp the other playing as an 8 or a 10. Lundstram won us 7/9 points last season or so with his goal contribution. Anyone playing in that position I would expect 9 goals but that might just be me.
CaliforniaBlue1872
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His form has been pish and it seems pretty certain he's leaving
But he's very clearly our most defensive midfielder, using goal contribution stats to use against him seems a bit odd
But he's very clearly our most defensive midfielder, using goal contribution stats to use against him seems a bit odd
Blu_ultra
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I get the difference in position, but he is still not contributing nearly enough in the final third in my opinion. There was a comment earlier in the thread about him roughly on the same goals over the last 40 odd games as McGregor - Celtic fans are choking to get shot of him. Ferguson scored 20 goals from midfield as a 6. In Scottish football we should expect our 6 to have 6-10 goals per season.
In the role Lundstram plays you wouldn't be expecting him to provide big numbers. Cantwell/Lawrence should be providing the numbers you expect given the play in the 8 or 10.
Lundstram is a terrible footballer.
westenclosurebear
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Just watch back his abject performance away to Ross Counry and the lazy jogging back style he has adopted for too long now.
RangersLad1983
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No we don't we need a fast midfielder just exactly what the scum have
celtic fans choking to get rid of McGregor ?
No doubt they are choking to get rid of every player after every defeat, just like dafties on here, they just have a different level of daffy.
McGregor is just about to win his 9th league medal, has 7 league cup and 5 Scottish cup medals. Since moving back one to take over the Scott brown role his has scored 11 league goals over 4 seasons,
If you want to make comparisons look at Barry Ferguson when he played as a 6 (but not the season before he left as Konterman played that role) More recently Hemdani played the role Lundstram does, he scored 1 league goal in 70 matches.
sr1983
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Major difference is that Kevin Thomson was good at his job.
I'm more concerned about his inability to play an accurate forward pass, or protect the full backs when they're higher up the park.
Not so long ago when we had Jack and Kamara in the midfield they didn't score or create a lot, but they put in a power of work so that other players could - and covered the full backs regularly.
Not so long ago when we had Jack and Kamara in the midfield they didn't score or create a lot, but they put in a power of work so that other players could - and covered the full backs regularly.
Crazy that Only Tav has more assists in our team than Lundstram.
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Callum McGregor isn’t a fast midfielder and he’s their deepest midfielder so yeah…
Blu_ultra
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Yes, but they know he’s at the beginning of the decline. The key, as it is for us, is learning when to cut the ties.
Blu_ultra
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Is that not EXACTLY our problem? We’re relying on our right back to assist/score as middle to front we’re poor?Crazy that Only Tav has more assists in our team than Lundstram.
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Hazylight1989
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Unfortuabtely that is the hardest thing in world football to find.. The haves of European football have this type of player (Rice, Rodri ect) the have nots don’t (Man Utd, Barcelona)
Talktalk
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It’s great for his personal % of passes going to a teammate but in reality he slows the game down and passes backwards as much as going forward, but when we need to up the pace he usually is the player who plays the stray pass.
Woodilee Loyal
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Thank goodness!
Rankrotten
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Luke McCowan is a terrific prospect as his his team mate Lyall Cameron. Both destined to leave Dundee for bigger things soon.
Vidmar
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There is footage on Twitter of the build up to their second, and Willie Collum actually overtakes Lundstram tracking back.
It’ll go down as the worst individual OF performance since…. Russell Martin? Senderos? Jon McLaughlin?
I generally back players and dislike over the top criticisms but I’ll make an exception here - Lundstram disgraced himself and should never be welcome back in any capacity.
It’ll go down as the worst individual OF performance since…. Russell Martin? Senderos? Jon McLaughlin?
I generally back players and dislike over the top criticisms but I’ll make an exception here - Lundstram disgraced himself and should never be welcome back in any capacity.
When he picks the ball up from between or behind our defenders I'm surprised he doesn't hit it back to the Union Bears as thats all thats left behind him. And those 5 yard passes he does, there is no guarantee it will find it's man either.
Cooper's left peg
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So slow and heavy, turns like the Titanic and his forward passing is absolutely brutal.
He's a hindrance to how we should be playing. The whole walking football thing is chronic to watch.
Yesterday was inexcusable and completely unacceptable on all levels.
He's a hindrance to how we should be playing. The whole walking football thing is chronic to watch.
Yesterday was inexcusable and completely unacceptable on all levels.
bluetonic
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Its nonsense statistic for the statistic geeks
Scotstounbluenose
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The fact we only until recently looked to be interested in giving him a contract extension at all, is quite horrifying to be perfectly honest.
Lundstram's a really good player when he's on it. He seems to have huge dips in form though and we're going through another one now.
Compare and contrast his performance in EL semi when he's bursting into the box to get onto the end of something. When was the last time he done that?
Compare and contrast his performance in EL semi when he's bursting into the box to get onto the end of something. When was the last time he done that?
Ally’s Golden Boot
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A dreadful waste of money. 6 or 7 months of good form within the last 3 years. A CM thst constantly drops between CH’s as that’s his comfort blanket. Runs like he’s pulling a trailer,
F()cking garbage.
F()cking garbage.
Agree the contract management has been hopeless.
But equally, we’ve never had any bids for Barisic, Lundstram, Goldson or Jack.
They aren’t good enough/reliable enough for other teams to want to spend money on them.
Frightening then that we thought 2 of that 4 were worth £40k per week when they had little or no transfer value.
AchtungBaby
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Fixed that for you.
Another fraud of a football player, glad he’s away at the end of the season. Two patches of form in 3 seasons is a disgrace.
Coop1872
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The most goals Barry scored in a season was 18 which included 2 in the Scottish Cup. About half of those were penalties as well I'm sure. He would generally weigh in with 6 or 7 a season though. Lundstram has 11 goals in total over 3 seasons.
In what sense is it made up?
georgedoors
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I'm sure opposition players are not bothered in the slightest about lundstram having the ball in space outside the box , his shooting is abysmal and never in danger of scoring.
We should never have, im gonna say it, 'Key' players seeing out there last year of contract
I wonder if its the position Tav needs to move to for the SC final so we have a more solid RB in sterling as Tav has no chance containing Maeda and doing anything going forward.
I wonder if its the position Tav needs to move to for the SC final so we have a more solid RB in sterling as Tav has no chance containing Maeda and doing anything going forward.
Ampersand
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Keep reading about him being slow but he's actually really quick when he puts his mind to it.
Our team look jaded and unfit. Lundstram has let loads of opponents run off him this season. To me it comes down to fitness.
His cameo on Saturday is up there with the worst performances I've ever seen in this fixture. To score and OG and then get a straight red as we gift wrap the title to our rivals is naive beyond belief. Especially from one of the 'leadership' group.
Our team look jaded and unfit. Lundstram has let loads of opponents run off him this season. To me it comes down to fitness.
His cameo on Saturday is up there with the worst performances I've ever seen in this fixture. To score and OG and then get a straight red as we gift wrap the title to our rivals is naive beyond belief. Especially from one of the 'leadership' group.
Macdonsj
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its effort
or lack of
trotting about not tracking or putting in the shift
scores the OG then thinks he needs to "do something" so launches into that
fraud
Blu_ultra
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Barry scored a goal every 7 or so games. In his second spell, he did hit penalties which skews the figures slightly, however it’s more of a general point - our midfield don’t contribute nearly in the final third.
temperance
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We would get nothing for Roofe at any time, nobody will want him, even on a free.
temperance
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Lundstram couldn’t score in a brothel, he has 11 goals in 145 games for us, and a career 25 in 437 games.
The fact that it isn't a statistic that anyone else on earth has ever used.
The fact that it excludes the goals Lundstram has scored because they don't fit the "stat".
For there to be negative goals, there would also need to be positive goals.
Of course, we simply call those "goals".
What the "stat" suggests is that if you score an own goal, then you lose one of the goals you've scored for your own team.
Surely that doesn't make sense to you?
Don't think you're understanding the stat mate.
He is a midfielder who hasn't scored a goal all season but has scored an own goal therefore in negative.
He's scored two.
Are we taking own goals off of every players total or just Lundstram?
Refresh my memory please with his two league goals?
SimonLeBon
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Disgraceful stat, any midfielder not scoring in a league campaign, is simply not good enough to be wearing the Rangers Jersey.
My point exactly.
If you move the goalposts to exclude the goals he's actually scored, then your point falls down straight away.
Unless you think he gets to pick the games he scores in?
You're saying it's you're point exactly but in struggling to follow your point.
How many points was his goal v Hibs in the Scottish Cup worth?
The header of the thread is factual and one of the reasons we are where we are in the league. If you think Lundstram deserves defending fair play to you.
Fact remains he hasn't scored a single league goal.
You're right that you're struggling.
You've had to lie about me defending Lundstram.
Read your last line, that'll tell you what you need to know.
He hasn't scored a single league goal, therefore his league goal tally is ZERO.
It's not Minus One because negative goals isn't a thing.
