Potential Euro Rivals

Trust Uefa to make things even more confusing and difficult for us than they already are. Due to there only being 4 Champions League places at the start of the season in terms of the winners of both the Champions League and Europa League winners qualifying through their league position then if Dortmund win the CL and finish 5th (they did) Eintracht get the additional group stage place at the expense of the highest coefficient Champions route team, Shaktar despite Germany and Italy already having 5 teams qualified each. Similarly, and directly affecting us although still not guaranteed to happen as Atalanta could still finish 3rd (2 points behind Juve and Bologna with a game in hand), Benfica could lose out to 6th placed Roma for a group spot if Atalanta win the Europa and also finish 5th in Italy. Essentially we should all be cheering on Leverkusen on Wednesday night or we won't know if Benfica will be in beside us or not until Atalanta's last game on the 6th of June which they will have nothing riding on.
 
thenorthseabear said:
So if we get through to the play off round, who is the likely opponents
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Until Benfica and Brugge are officially out of the qualifying route it's difficult to say. If they are both in it, still say it's highly unlikely, we'd face one of them in the play-off assuming we and both of them navigate the 3rd round. The 3rd round itself would be much more difficult for us too if they are still there as we would need to then beat Lille, Twente or any one of two from Salzburg, Dynamo Kiev, Partisan Belgrade, Fenerbahce or Lugano, assuming Slavia win their 2nd round and join us as seeds. Better for us if one or both aren't there.
 
Spart7 said:
Trust Uefa to make things even more confusing and difficult for us than they already are. Due to there only being 4 Champions League places at the start of the season in terms of the winners of both the Champions League and Europa League winners qualifying through their league position then if Dortmund win the CL and finish 5th (they did) Eintracht get the additional group stage place at the expense of the highest coefficient Champions route team, Shaktar despite Germany and Italy already having 5 teams qualified each. Similarly, and directly affecting us although still not guaranteed to happen as Atalanta could still finish 3rd (2 points behind Juve and Bologna with a game in hand), Benfica could lose out to 6th placed Roma for a group spot if Atalanta win the Europa and also finish 5th in Italy. Essentially we should all be cheering on Leverkusen on Wednesday night or we won't know if Benfica will be in beside us or not until Atalanta's last game on the 6th of June which they will have nothing riding on.
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The second half doesn't effect us as long as Club Brugge win the league. 3 points clear with one game to go with superior GD. We'll be seeded

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792277393723330803
 
So if I'm picking this up correctly we're likely to face one of Fenerbache, USG, Brest or Twente in QR3 and if we win that one of Slavia Prague or RB Salzburg assuming the seeded teams win the other QR3 ties?
 
sir_walter_smith said:
The second half doesn't effect us as long as Club Brugge win the league. 3 points clear with one game to go with superior GD. We'll be seeded

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792277393723330803
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It's Lille that are in qualifying with us instead of Brest now. You're correct though, as long as one or the other don't end up in qualifying we are guaranteed to be one of the 2 top seeds, pushing Slavia back down a place meaning we could also then face them in the play-off which would arguably be easier than the likes of Salzburg or Lille.
 
Clarification re Belgium in the event of 2 or even all 3 teams ending up tied on points after the final day. If Brugge lose their game and USG win then despite having an inferior goal difference USG would become champions as Brugge had a half point rounded up at the conclusion of the regular season whereas USG did not. This is the first deciding criteria above goal difference and head to head in the event of a tie. Anderlecht also had a half point rounded up as they, like Brugge, finished the regular season on an odd number. The only way they can still make the top two, despite being tied with USG, 3 behind Brugge, is if they can better USG's result but they would need a massive goal difference swing in their favour to go above Brugge as they are tied on h2h. In other words we need Brugge to take at least a point to guarantee them as champions, defeat and a USG win means Brugge are in the qualifiers as Anderlecht will not score the required number of goals to overtake them for 2nd.
 
Spart7 said:
Clarification re Belgium in the event of 2 or even all 3 teams ending up tied on points after the final day. If Brugge lose their game and USG win then despite having an inferior goal difference USG would become champions as Brugge had a half point rounded up at the conclusion of the regular season whereas USG did not. This is the first deciding criteria above goal difference and head to head in the event of a tie. Anderlecht also had a half point rounded up as they, like Brugge, finished the regular season on an odd number. The only way they can still make the top two, despite being tied with USG, 3 behind Brugge, is if they can better USG's result but they would need a massive goal difference swing in their favour to go above Brugge as they are tied on h2h. In other words we need Brugge to take at least a point to guarantee them as champions, defeat and a USG win means Brugge are in the qualifiers as Anderlecht will not score the required number of goals to overtake them for 2nd.
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At least it's not complicated.
 
Spart7 said:
Clarification re Belgium in the event of 2 or even all 3 teams ending up tied on points after the final day. If Brugge lose their game and USG win then despite having an inferior goal difference USG would become champions as Brugge had a half point rounded up at the conclusion of the regular season whereas USG did not. This is the first deciding criteria above goal difference and head to head in the event of a tie. Anderlecht also had a half point rounded up as they, like Brugge, finished the regular season on an odd number. The only way they can still make the top two, despite being tied with USG, 3 behind Brugge, is if they can better USG's result but they would need a massive goal difference swing in their favour to go above Brugge as they are tied on h2h. In other words we need Brugge to take at least a point to guarantee them as champions, defeat and a USG win means Brugge are in the qualifiers as Anderlecht will not score the required number of goals to overtake them for 2nd.
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Club Brugge at at home so I think they will win, although it is Brugge derby I see.
 
Right so, just to update this after Leverkusen losing tonight, am I right in saying that we need Brugges to win their league for us to remain seeded for both rounds, yes?

And what about Benfica? Where are they now? We can't draw them if we're top seeds, right?
 
The Blue Iceberg said:
Anyone know who we can now draw? @Spart7 ? @rangeral ?
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Qualifying round 2 will be completed this weekend after the Turkish title is decided. So far the seeded sides in that round are Slavia Prague, Salzburg and Fenerbache or Galatasaray. Unseeded are Lugano, Dynamo Kiev and Partizan Belgrade.

Confirmed in the 3rd purely as things stand. Benfica, Rangers, Lille, Twente and then one of Brugge, USG or Anderlecht.

3 teams progress from round 2 to join the 5 above. Depending on Atalanta's and Brugge's final finishing positions we could be seeded 1st or 2nd, seeded both rounds, or 3rd, seeded 3rd round, unseeded in the playoff round. As long as at least one of Benfica or Brugges end up out of the qualifying process then our route becomes, on paper, far easier as Lille are then seeded in the 3rd round for example so we couldn't draw them. It will all be finalised within the next 2 weeks after Atalanta's final game on the 6th of June.
 
Bologna 2 nil down away to Genoa in their last game. Means Atalanta have 2 games in hand and 2 points behind them. 1 win or 2 draws (have better gd) and Benfica are into the CL groups.
 
Spart7 said:
Bologna 2 nil down away to Genoa in their last game. Means Atalanta have 2 games in hand and 2 points behind them. 1 win or 2 draws (have better gd) and Benfica are into the CL groups.
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Serie A is head2head is it not, if on equal points? Either way I think Atalanta should win at least 1, they are at home for both.
And I see Bologna beat Atalanta home and away.
 
sammy1872 said:
So if either Brugge win on Sunday or Atalanta win 1 game then we are seeded and avoid benfica. If both things happen then we go in as top seeds and likely avoid Lille
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I think it's Slavia Prague that would be seeded with us in the playoffs
 
Socrates said:
Serie A is head2head is it not, if on equal points? Either way I think Atalanta should win at least 1, they are at home for both.
And I see Bologna beat Atalanta home and away.
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Don't the top 5 teams in Italy qualify for the group stages next season as Italy got an extra place anyway so we should be looking at Roma in sixth place and Atalanta win on head to head? They are 3 points in front with a game in hand and 8 goals better off anyway
 
das said:
Don't the top 5 teams in Italy qualify for the group stages next season as Italy got an extra place anyway so we should be looking at Roma in sixth place and Atalanta win on head to head? They are 3 points in front with a game in hand and 8 goals better off anyway
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Below I got this info of “Scotland Coefficient” on Twitter, provides very useful info regarding Scottish clubs European standings & I think will help answer your question.

To note this info is from before EL final on Wednesday.

European performance spots (EPS) are allocated after everything else (these are the spots that guarantee Italy and Germany 5 Champions League places)

For example if Atalanta finish 5th that's officially a Europa league spot

- if they 5th & win Europa League they enter Champions League as Europa League title holders & 6th in Italy gets the EPS & also enters Champions league, so Italy get 6 teams in UCL

If they 5th and don't win the Europa League then they get the EPS slot to enter Champions League and Italy 'only' get 5 teams in



That's why if they finish 4th it doesn't matter who wins the Europa League out of Leverkusen and Atalanta - they've both finished in Champions League places domestically & so Benfica enter the Champions League automatically in the Europa league title holders place (and won't be in qualifying - good for RFC)
 
I'm still confused. Do benfica now get automatic qualification and are we seeded and how many ties do we have yo play to get to ucl
 
TheBlueMagoo said:
I'm still confused. Do benfica now get automatic qualification and are we seeded and how many ties do we have yo play to get to ucl
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Atalanta need one win from their last 2 games to confirm Benfica's auto spot as that would take them above Bologna into 4th. Belgium and Turkey conclude this weekend so we will find out shortly if Brugge (64 coefficient points to our 63) can get the point they need to be champions and a group stage spot. Fenerbahce are the most likely team to take the final spot but it could still be Galatasaray.

Seeding is pretty simple. If Benfica and Brugge are in qualifying we are 3rd seeds and only seeded in the 3rd qualifier, not the playoff round. If one or both aren't we are minimum top 2 seeds and seeded for both rounds.
 
One potentially beneficial side effect of both Benfica and Brugge not being in qualifiers is that Lille would be bumped up to seeded status for the 3rd round qualifiers meaning we'd avoid them at that stage.
 
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