Premier League clubs to vote on proposal to scrap VAR from next season.

[Tpol_rfc]

Please, please, please bin it up here, single worst thing to hit football, it's killing it and completely ripping the soul from it.

Please offer any proof VAR is "killing" football?

In which leagues have attendances dramatically dropped due to the impending death of football?

 

[WinkieWATP]

Say it does get voted against. Imagine the uproar when wrong decisions are made and not corrected.

Football was played that way for over 100 years just like that before

 

[Phil'ieve]

How is that any different to celebrating a goal then a linesman sticks his flag up?

Shutup mate you're no getting the argument you want out of me. If you can't see it then good on you.

 

[Laudrup11Cooper]

You have incompetency to begin with the numbnuts you have with scottish referees.
How was this ever going to work??

 

[GazzaG]

Shutup mate you're no getting the argument you want out of me. If you can't see it then good on you.

You've said you can't celebrate goals because of it.
Apologies for pointing out that you can.

 

[remembertheepoch]

Its one club promoting it i doubt 2 thirds will vote for it. But it will be interesting if it was voted for and the club that votes for it gets stung by several bad decisions

 

[BenVorlich]

VAR is a good thing, but run badly.

They still get it wrong even with the technology as it's too subjective.
I suppose it depends on your perspective. Armchair fans it probably suits, for those of us who go to games it's an utter annoyance and ruins the spectacle in my opinion.

 

[tennents_lager]

Willie Collum made head of refereeing today and they’re already binning VAR. The unseen papist hand at work again.

 

[Bear all]

How is that any different to celebrating a goal then a linesman sticks his flag up?

Cause it’s every goal .

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

We need VAR, we would never get a penalty without it.

Exactly. The OF at Ibrox Silva was yellow carded for diving and VAR changed it to a penalty. People only remember the mistakes/ decisions against their team.

 

[WinkieWATP]

Please, please, please bin it up here, single worst thing to hit football, it's killing it and completely ripping the soul from it.

We would be about 10 less in the GF column without it.

Instead of binning it find a way to make it work smoother, put a time limit on how long a decisions can take, if it takes nearly five minutes and the incident to be rewound 20/30 times then it’s probably not a clear and obvious error.

 

[Johnny Yen]

Please offer any proof VAR is "killing" football?

In which leagues have attendances dramatically dropped due to the impending death of football?

Attendances don't have to drop you know.

It's a fuckin horrific thing, I hope upon hope it's binned and I think it will be.

 

[Rickety Cricket]

Adopt the tennis thing where you change challenge 3 times during a match

This 100% is the way to go from now on.

 

[GazzaG]

Cause it’s every goal .

It isn't.

7 goals in the game last night.
Which ones did the fans not get to celebrate at the time?

 

[Kosar19]

If they get rid we'll be next

 

[Tpol_rfc]

Attendances don't have to drop you know.

It's a fuckin horrific thing, I hope upon hope it's binned and I think it will be.

I don't know mate.

You said it's killing football. Surely that would be a good indicator of you were correct?

You'd prefer a higher percentage of incorrect calls then?

Will refer you to post 50

 

[BlueSteish]

The automated offsides coming in will help the referees massiely

Can't see VAR being binned off

 

[Texas ranger]

It'll never pass

I hope not.

 

[SuffolkGer]

Remember before VAR with Julliens offside goal, or Edouards handball goal… yeah I never want to go back to that.

 

[Rickety Cricket]

Used to stick up for VAR but can't be bothered with it anymore. Dessers goal being ruled out against them was nonsense.

Was it not Roofe's goal

 

[Maestro72]

Sport is entertainment. VAR kills entertainment.

 

[RaoulDuke11]

Resolution formally submitted by Wolves to abolish system + will be on agenda at June 6 AGM. Any rule change needs 2/3s majority (14 of 20 members) to pass


OFFICIAL: letter sent to the Premier League regarding scrapping VAR.

"Wolves have formally submitted a resolution to the Premier League to trigger a vote at the league's AGM in June, on the removal of VAR from the start of the 2024/25 season.

The introduction of VAR in 2019/20 was a decision made in good faith and with the best interests of football and the Premier League at its heart. However, it has led to numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football, and undermining the value of the Premier League brand, which include:

• Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special.

• Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication.

•A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR.

• Overreach of VAR's original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game's fluidity and integrity.

• Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch.

• Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards.

• Disruption of the Premier League's fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long.

• Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league.

• Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption.

The decision to table the resolution has come after careful consideration and with the utmost respect for the Premier League, PGMOL and our fellow competitors.

There is no blame to be placed - we are all just looking for the best possible outcome for football - and all stakeholders have been working hard to try and make the introduction of additional technology a success.

However, after five seasons of VAR in the Premier League it is time for a constructive and critical debate on its future.

Our position is that the price we are paying for a small increase in accuracy is at odds with the spirit of our game, and as a result we should remove it from the 2024/25 season onwards."

They won’t get even close to enough votes to scrap it, because they’re not tinpot.

Our lot, however…

 

[Texas ranger]

Every idiot in every league complains about it.

Clearly VAR gets a higher percentage of decisions correct. Only people of low intelligence would advocate going back to a system that allows more mistakes.

Absolutely zero logic to not use it.

A huge step backwards not to use it.

 

[WinkieWATP]

Its one club promoting it i doubt 2 thirds will vote for it. But it will be interesting if it was voted for and the club that votes for it gets stung by several bad decisions

You don’t think Wolves will have spoke to other clubs before putting this forward? I would assume that they would have.

I’m wondering who decides which way they vote? Some suit or put it to your manager?

 

[SamEng]

This 100% is the way to go from now on.

No it isn't.In tennis it's either in or out.Nothing subjective about it.
By all means use VAR for offside only.

 

[possilbear2]

We would have benefited in the Scum games if there had been no VAR.

What about the penalties we got because of VAR.when the Refs fvcked up as usual

 

[Rickety Cricket]

VAR is 21st century technology, adjudication rules established in the 19th century.

We need to change the offside rule to allow more room for attacking player eg whole foot has to be offside.

No more "toenail off sides."

I think full body, the way Arsene Wenger wanted it.

 

[SamEng]

Absolutely zero logic to not use it.

A huge step backwards not to use it.

The logic is it ruins the game as a spectacle and there is still debatable outcomes.

 

[Orange Peel]

Yes and I had wanted to bring up
other games other than the Scum I would have .

Pointless post then.

 

[CooperBlu11]

VAR is NEVER going away.

 

[Johnny Yen]

I don't know mate.

You said it's killing football. Surely that would be a good indicator of you were correct?

You'd prefer a higher percentage of incorrect calls then?

Will refer you to post 50

Did you watch the 4 old firm games with your eyes shut?

Focusing on calls in other games which we did get but ignoring the blatantly obvious in the big games.

It's an abomination and only football hipster dickheads adore it and want to keep it.

 

[belshoi's bluebell]

Couldn't agree more.

It should only be used when the referee wants assistance or one of the teams want to challenge a decision.

Do like the cricket 3 challanges each team. Also for offside being it the umpires call rule for offsides within a certain parameter…

 

[Iain04]

Then back to the moans of how x decision is missed.
Also, some refs especially up here seem so reliant on it as a fall back method & not wanting to make a big call.

 

[GovanFront4]

Fingers crossed, would love FIFA to roll back on it.

 

[Rickety Cricket]

No it isn't.In tennis it's either in or out.Nothing subjective about it.
By all means use VAR for offside only.

Yes it is. 3 each for per team won't slow down the game, and the players on the park know what's happening a lot more than the ref who might be behind some player, resulting in a missed incident.

 

[Texas ranger]

The logic is it ruins the game as a spectacle and there is still debatable outcomes.

That’s not logic, that’s subjectiveness.

The absence of it ruins more games because there’s more mistakes made and a higher likelihood of bias being allowed to prevail.

 

[GovanFront4]

Do like the cricket 3 challanges each team. Also for offside being it the umpires call rule for offsides within a certain parameter…

I don't like the idea of challenges. It will be used tactically to get the momentum stopped and players back in defensive positions.

 

[GovanRearLoyal]

Fingers crossed, would love FIFA to roll back on it.

I can see them & UEFA announcing that if your league doesn’t have VAR then you can’t play in FIFA/UEFA backed tournaments as it was them that pushed for it’s introduction

 

[WinkieWATP]

I don't like the idea of challenges. It will be used tactically to get the momentum stopped and players back in defensive positions.

Yep just like the head knock rule it will get exploited.

 

[Alex Clelands Forehead]

You don’t think Wolves will have spoke to other clubs before putting this forward? I would assume that they would have.

I’m wondering who decides which way they vote? Some suit or put it to your manager?

Forest 100% will vote to get rid. There may be a few others, do the newly promoted sides i.e Ipswich vote or the sides going down? As I could see Ipswich voting against it having never used it.

Don't think they will get 14 teams to vote in favour though.

 

[Tpol_rfc]

Did you watch the 4 old firm games with your eyes shut?

Focusing on calls in other games which we did get but ignoring the blatantly obvious in the big games.

It's an abomination and only football hipster dickheads adore it and want to keep it.

First of all, that last paragraph just lolz

I watched the League Cup final from the west stand at Hampden 2019 and would much prefer their goal to have been quickly ruled out and move in with the game.

 

[ShieldhallBear]

So they’d rather their opponents fans got to celebrate a wrongly given goal against them because it’s more fun. Got it. Almost every one of their points can be counteracted or can be fixed with slight improvements, and the scrapping of VAR would make a number of their points worse off.

 

[Tpol_rfc]

I can see them & UEFA announcing that if your league doesn’t have VAR then you can’t play in FIFA/UEFA backed tournaments as it was them that pushed for it’s introduction

This is exactly what should and would happen.

 

[SamEng]

I don't like the idea of challenges. It will be used tactically to get the momentum stopped and players back in defensive positions.

It's a nonsense.In tennis and cricket the ball is dead very quickly and a decision to appeal is made.When do you make an appeal in football?Do you stop playing when a player makes the T sign like in cricket?

 

[Gladstone]

It is not perfect, but VAR has improved the game.

It has helped us close the gap with the bheasts.

All the bheast referees in Scotland are now held to a higher degree of accountability because of VAR.

 

[Mr_Miscellaneous]

This is just Wolves throwing their toys out of the pram because more VAR incidents went against them than for them.

With semi-autonomous offside technology in the Premier League next season, 95% of the complaints about VAR in the EPL will disappear.

 

[SamEng]

That’s not logic, that’s subjectiveness.

The absence of it ruins more games because there’s more mistakes made and a higher likelihood of bias being allowed to prevail.

Then we sack the referees and get better ones.

 

[top_cat]

VAR is here to stay, it needs re-worked, bring in ex-pro's for a start.

 

[Awaydays]

Offside seems to be causing the biggest problem. Seen a comment on the BBC, which I think makes sense. If you need to put lines across a screen, the goal should stand.

Don't want to hear about what we got against celtic, that's more than went the other way. Few rule changes regarding penalties or get shot of it. It's became the main talking point about football, I prefer talking about the actual game itself. Football became popular long before even TV cameras appeared. I'm sick of the game being changed to suit the cameras.

 

[SamEng]

Yes it is. 3 each for per team won't slow down the game, and the players on the park know what's happening a lot more than the ref who might be behind some player, resulting in a missed incident.

It would be unworkable.