Sunnyvale_Loyal
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Interestingly, our overall goal difference in the 14 games when Tav has played is +3. Something is very clearly wrong.
Leave that for the stattos but there were at least 2 in the first half and the same in the second.Even some of his short passing was poor todayHow many?
Apart from missing chances I thought Alfie was ok in linking the play up . The goals will come .Alfie was the worst but Tav was poor.
Again.
He's played 4 games,won 3 drew 1.In July, SG said he couldn't go on leaving either Patterson or Tav on the bench. Since then, they haven't spent one minute on the same park. We've won all 3 games in which Patterson has played, scoring 9 goals. Of the 14 games when Tav has played, we've won 6, lost 5 and drawn 3, scoring 16 goals.
Tav’s at his best when playing two games a week, but we can’t justify playing him every week when the best young fullback in Scotland is pressing him.The rest was supposed to do him good but I felt it was the last thing he needed. He’s been poor this season - he needs games, not international breaks. It’s been to stop/start.
I would have absolutely no complaints if Patterson replaced Tavernier right now.
Apologies, I forgot Alashkert but it doesn't alter the stats. Dunfermline are lower level but Hibs and Livi aren't. I think we're all slowly coming round to the realisation that while Tav's contribution to Rangers has been immense, it's time for something new. Happily for us, we have the perfect replacement in the squad.He's played 4 games,won 3 drew 1.
Alashkert,Dunfermline and Livi in the cup and Hibs.
Stats look good because he's played against much inferior teams.
Give him a run and lets see what he can do.
My sentiments exactly , said at the time it was a decision that would come back and bite him in the @rse.Thus highlighting the fact that Gerrards biggest mistake since taking the Job was making Tavernier captain
The stats are obviously better when you're playing against bottom of the table Dunfermline and farmers from Armenia rather than say Lyon,Malmo,Sparta,Celtc..........I just don't think you can use them as a stick to beat Tavernier with.Apologies, I forgot Alashkert but it doesn't alter the stats. Dunfermline are lower level but Hibs and Livi aren't. I think we're all slowly coming round to the realisation that while Tav's contribution to Rangers has been immense, it's time for something new. Happily for us, we have the perfect replacement in the squad.
It's not intended that way. Stats don't lie, though. In 13 games over 3 months, our overall goal difference is +3. That's not a blip, that's a serious problem.The stats are obviously better when you're playing against bottom of the table Dunfermline and farmers from Armenia rather than say Lyon,Malmo,Sparta,Celtc..........I just don't think you can use them as a stick to beat Tavernier with.
17 cross attempts, I can't think of many finding a Rangers player?How many?
Stats don't lie but they can be skewed in your favour if you only play against dross.It's not intended that way. Stats don't lie, though. In 13 games over 3 months, our overall goal difference is +3. That's not a blip, that's a serious problem.
The quality of the opposition we faced when Nathan was playing has no bearing on the stats we have achieved when Tav has played. Plus, Hibs are not dross.Stats don't lie but they can be skewed in your favour if you only play against dross.
Of course it has,you're not seriously comparing Lyon,Sparta,Malmo,celtic with Alashkert,Dunfermline,Livi?The quality of the opposition we faced when Nathan was playing has no bearing on the stats we have achieved when Tav has played. Plus, Hibs are not dross.
Disagree. When we have a slim lead and he keeps losing possession and his attitude rubs off on others he's a big reason we can't finish games off20 attempts at goal, scored once and missed umpteen good chances.
Conceded a goal from a corner that the keeper should have dealt with.
Tavernier was average today, but he was 100 miles away from being why we dropped points.
To play deeper and give us no width? Very much doubt that. Patterson and Bassey absolutely bomb up and down the wings.I think that’s tactical. Our full backs are both playing deeper than last year
Flip side is several times yesterday when w had it out wide there was barely any of our players in the box aside from Morelos with numerous Hearts defenders in there so not a lot to aim for17 cross attempts, I can't think of many finding a Rangers player?
You're missing my point. Forget the 4 games in which Tav hasn't played and look at the 13 games he has played in all competitions against, among other, Ross County, Dundee and Livingston. Of those games, we have won 6, drawn 3 and lost 5 with an overall goal difference of +3. That means we've failed to win 8 of 14 games in which our captain has played. Those stats would still be a huge concern regardless of the stats in the games he's missed.Of course it has,you're not seriously comparing Lyon,Sparta,Malmo,celtic with Alashkert,Dunfermline,Livi?
Hibs are average imo.
Agreed.If we want to be champions under performing players need to be dropped the team peaked last season and needs freshing up it too predictable any half decent coach has found us out the proof in the pudding we can't defend this season so defenders need dropped and replaced and Tav is one of them.
I'm not missing the point at all,your post #201 you compared both players stats while playing,i pointed out you can't compare when both players have played different standard of team.You're missing my point. Forget the 4 games in which Tav hasn't played and look at the 13 games he has played in all competitions against, among other, Ross County, Dundee and Livingston. Of those games, we have won 6, drawn 3 and lost 5 with an overall goal difference of +3. That means we've failed to win 8 of 14 games in which our captain has played. Those stats would still be a huge concern regardless of the stats in the games he's missed.
Aye he was a terrible captain last season, leading from the front. What a terrible captain… get a grip of yourself.Thus highlighting the fact that Gerrards biggest mistake since taking the Job was making Tavernier captain
Stats don’t lie but they need contextIt's not intended that way. Stats don't lie, though. In 13 games over 3 months, our overall goal difference is +3. That's not a blip, that's a serious problem.
I hope I have a better day than yesterday. Sadly, this season's match stats won't change whichever way I look at them.I'm not missing the point at all,your post #201 you compared both players stats while playing,i pointed out you can't compare when both players have played different standard of team.
Have a good day.
Tav looked off the pace yesterday.Seemed to be 2nd to every ball, easily out muscled and skinned multiple times and absolutely woeful going forward. Looked nothing like himself in all honesty. If I was Nathan Patterson I'd be disappointed not to be in the team for Thursday after a performance like that from Tav.
It's not intended that way. Stats don't lie, though. In 13 games over 3 months, our overall goal difference is +3. That's not a blip, that's a serious problem.
You're missing my point. Forget the 4 games in which Tav hasn't played and look at the 13 games he has played in all competitions against, among other, Ross County, Dundee and Livingston. Of those games, we have won 6, drawn 3 and lost 5 with an overall goal difference of +3. That means we've failed to win 8 of 14 games in which our captain has played. Those stats would still be a huge concern regardless of the stats in the games he's missed.
People make out that Patterson is outstanding everytime he plays. He has had some moments of quality and his energy is excellent but hes been pretty average in most games this season, Bassey stood out more.
He had a shocker in the Scotland Isreal game, running into players and losing possession everytime had the ball.
He gets away with it because he is young and has bags of potential plus the fact a large section of our support just don't seem to like Tav, some used to want Hodson in front of him!
I'm a huge fan of Patterson but he is nowhere near Tavs level yet IMO.
The pair of them need benched, Roofe and Paterson given a decent run instead.Tav certainly didn't have his best game, but Morelos was the worst player on the park by some distance IMO.
The pair of them need benched, Roofe and Paterson given a decent run instead.
Your judgement is not clouded when you need some inspiration you look to the captain and Tav standing there with his petted lip is no where near a captain of Rangers never mind a first team player in my opinion, I got hounded on this forum weeks ago for saying he should be benched in favour of Patterson who is a far better player.My sentiments exactly , said at the time it was a decision that would come back and bite him in the @rse.
There again maybe my judgement of a Rangers captain might be clouded by having Tiger Shaw and Geordie Young as my first role models.
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Barasic has started all 8 games that we've failed to win so far this season. Tav missed the Alashkert game. Davis featured in all 8 games also, starting 7 of them.In the 8 games we’ve failed to win, who else has played in they games alongside Tav? Should they also be dropped?
Patterson will be gone from Ibrox in the summer. We'll get a Vito Corleone offer.Massive Tav fan, guys been absolutely brilliant for us and will go down as a Rangers legend IMO but the here and now is what matters and for me I think it’s time we start playing Patterson at right back, he is the future of Rangers and when Tav is in this form it’s the perfect time to introduce Patterson as a regular starter in the team.
Aye he was a terrible captain last season, leading from the front. What a terrible captain… get a grip of yourself.
He is 19 years old and will only get consistency through regular football ,it’s not like Tav doesn’t have poor games is it?People make out that Patterson is outstanding everytime he plays. He has had some moments of quality and his energy is excellent but hes been pretty average in most games this season, Bassey stood out more.
He had a shocker in the Scotland Isreal game, running into players and losing possession everytime had the ball.
He gets away with it because he is young and has bags of potential plus the fact a large section of our support just don't seem to like Tav, some used to want Hodson in front of him!
I'm a huge fan of Patterson but he is nowhere near Tavs level yet IMO.
I’ve already said that he should be dropped for a couple of games but teams don’t tend to change captains season by season. Well at least sane teams anyway. What team changes captains every season? Or do you think the captaincy should change depending of the form of the captain?And this season?
I thought he’d come back like a man possessed after Patterson starting against hibs.I’ve already said that he should be dropped for a couple of games but teams don’t tend to change captains season by season. Well at least sane teams anyway. What team changes captains every season? Or do you think the captaincy should change depending of the form of the captain?