MortonWhen has Scotland produced a good striker. even now we have an Aussie striker I would imagine Mo Johnstone and Lou Macari Joe jordon were the last big name strikers. Did Jordon ever play for a team in Scotland?
MortonWhen has Scotland produced a good striker. even now we have an Aussie striker I would imagine Mo Johnstone and Lou Macari Joe jordon were the last big name strikers. Did Jordon ever play for a team in Scotland?
That’s who I was thinkingGary McSwegan?
It’s the same across Scotland mate, who has produced a 9 better than Fleck was since then?
No I don't I mean School football in general. That was the grass roots. That is where most good players were scouted. I don't know one player that played for a boys club. Players were scouted playing for their school Virtually everyone could play football at school. When that stopped people had to find a youth team to play. Youth teams at that time were mostly clubs with one team so a lot of peopie had to stop playing football. Only the good players or friends of the coach were picked out for most youth teams. Players that weren't quite ready this year but could make it next year stopped playing football because they had to search for a clubAssume he means players contracted to pro clubs aren’t allowed to play
To be fair though, by comparison, very few top clubs have produced their own main striker in the last number of years.Seeing that our academy chief is offski made me think, when was the last time we brought through a striker? A proper goalscorer?
Not someone who left and came back but someone who came through our academy or from U21s etc?
Did it hold back, law etcThe physical nature of the Scottish game holds back the development of technical players.
Lenient referees allow hammer throwers to get away with too much rough and tumble, as a result promising technical youth players get their careers ended by injury before they can reach the top level.
Bottom line is Scotland needs much stricter refereeing to make the game less physical and more technical.
I left school in 1972 so I think it was shortly after that.When did school football stop?
McCoistWhen has Scotland produced a good striker. even now we have an Aussie striker I would imagine Mo Johnstone and Lou Macari Joe jordon were the last big name strikers. Did Jordon ever play for a team in Scotland?
Agreed. He’s probably the benchmark. His namesake could have been (more a 10 of course) but became a CM over the years.The last no 9 we produced who was a guaranteed starter was Fleck in 86/87.
Nearly 40 years.
McCoist not worth a shout?When has Scotland produced a good striker. even now we have an Aussie striker I would imagine Mo Johnstone and Lou Macari Joe jordon were the last big name strikers. Did Jordon ever play for a team in Scotland?
International career | |||
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Years | Team | Apps | (Gls) |
1988–1992 | Rangers | 13 | (2) |
1988–1989 | → Morton (loan) | 4 | (1) |
1989–1990 | → Lai Sun (loan) | 24 | (20) |
1992–1997 | Chelsea | 103 | (36) |
1996–1997 | → Queens Park Rangers (loan) | 25 | (17) |
1997–1998 | Queens Park Rangers | 23 | (5) |
1998–1999 | → Everton (loan) | 6 | (0) |
1998–1999 | Everton | 3 | (0) |
1998–1999 | → Motherwell (loan) | 21 | (7) |
1999–2000 | Motherwell | 33 | (11) |
2001–2004 | Colorado Rapids | 88 | (37) |
Total | 343 | (136) | |
1990–1991 | Scotland U21 | 3 | (1) |
1994–1997 | Scotland | 14 | (0 |
Not just a striker but I'd much rather see a Cole McKinnon or a Bailey Rice get a game for us than some of the players we have signed.
Very, very few players actually make it for us straight from the academy.
I'm all for promoting youth players, but from the perspective of our manager, whomever that may be, they have to consider what gives them the best chance of winning.
Because that's the one thing we can say every fan wants.
And whether we like it or not, the manager must believe that players like Rice and McKinnon aren't as good as Lundstram, Dowell, Raskin or others. I trust that he has a better view of this than I am ever going to be capable of.
I remember reading an article about our youth team back in the first season of Advocaat, where John Brown was in charge of the reserve team. He said that there were youth players who fully believed they were as good as Gio or others (would love to know where that came from) but he always had to remind them that it wasn't enough to be as good, they had to be better. Football is even more physical than it was then, in terms of the attributes needed to ensure you're not just bullied off the pitch, which adds yet another layer of difficulty. Is Bailey Rice physically and technically better than John Lundstram? From what I have seen, not yet.
But you will only say he is better when the manager tells you he is ready to play.I'm all for promoting youth players, but from the perspective of our manager, whomever that may be, they have to consider what gives them the best chance of winning.
Because that's the one thing we can say every fan wants.
And whether we like it or not, the manager must believe that players like Rice and McKinnon aren't as good as Lundstram, Dowell, Raskin or others. I trust that he has a better view of this than I am ever going to be capable of.
I remember reading an article about our youth team back in the first season of Advocaat, where John Brown was in charge of the reserve team. He said that there were youth players who fully believed they were as good as Gio or others (would love to know where that came from) but he always had to remind them that it wasn't enough to be as good, they had to be better. Football is even more physical than it was then, in terms of the attributes needed to ensure you're not just bullied off the pitch, which adds yet another layer of difficulty. Is Bailey Rice physically and technically better than John Lundstram? From what I have seen, not yet.
But you will only say he is better when the manager tells you he is ready to play.
I am not sure about any of the young team and dont get to see them very often but i do watch the first team and id say we could do with changing it and giving a few of them their chance. They bring desire and passion and are delighted just to get a chance to play even against Ross or Livi.
I dont think modern football is as physical either if you mean our players getting kicked around due to bent refereeing then yeah but then any player could get injured no matter what age they are.
It is obviously tough for any manager, we are always playing catch up with that mob so i get the point about it being tough to pick young players and he has at least given a few a chance.Why shouldn't I listen to the manager on this? He's absolutely the expert, not me.
I don't think our manager, who has been happy to play Ross McCausland and use the likes of Cole McKinnon or Leon King on occasion in tight games, and whose three signings averaged the age of 21, has any issues playing younger players when he deems them good enough.
As for the physical side, by that I mean how footballers are much stronger, faster and fitter on average than ever before. Very few people hit a physical peak by the age of 21, and the 27 year old with the extra 6 years of working on that will often be well ahead in that regard. Technical ability is, at best, on equal footing in terms of importance now.
This is the correct answer. Made a proper impact and was sold for a decent fee back in the day, though sold prematurely I felt.Robert Fleck
This is the correct answer. Made a proper impact and was sold for a decent fee back in the day, though sold prematurely I felt.
I meant the first one mate, it’s actually shocking that a club the size of us hasn’t been able to do this since those days.if you mean produced and then had a good career at Rangers you are going way way back to the likes of DJ.
if you mean came through our academy Hardie / McCormack / Beattie etc all had good careers just not with us.
LOL!Ross McCormack?
Pressures on first team mean any youth will hardly get a chance
Take King for example - had to be thrown into champions league games then hardly seen since
Why did he want to go so badly?Fleck wanted out of Glasgow. Souness didn't want to sell him.
Souness offered him a new deal that blew Norwich's offer out the water and he still went.
Errr... Did you sleep away the Ally McCoist era???When has Scotland produced a good striker. even now we have an Aussie striker I would imagine Mo Johnstone and Lou Macari Joe jordon were the last big name strikers. Did Jordon ever play for a team in Scotland?
Stopped in mid 80s due to the teacher strikesI left school in 1972 so I think it was shortly after that.
Cheers mate I didn't realise it was as late as that. I left Britain in 1980 and thought it was already stopped by then. Obviously I was wrong.Stopped in mid 80s due to the teacher strikes
Why did he want to go so badly?
Players don't need to be replacing Lundstram, but Bailey Rice must be kicking himself looking at the minutes Lennon Miller is getting at Motherwell meanwhile he can't even get 20 minutes off the bench for us regularly and is instead playing glorified friendlies with the B team. With the best will in the world I wouldn't be advising my kid to sign for Rangers to advance their football career right now.