Why did the club back down in its stance on Collum?

JC85 said:
What are you on about man? Football clubs can't dictate who can and can't referee their games. We made an absolute rip roaring c*nt of the situation with that nonsense.
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Celtic got a referee sacked.

They gave Delahunt the okay to let his listeners know that they would not rest until they got a body.
 
I think what everyone is missing,is the fact that the media is now in the pocket of the Irish Brigade. There will be no building bridges as they have no intention of doing it. They have the boot on our throat and I have no idea how we shift it.We live in a country and I mean the whole UK which is sympathetic to sinn fein/ira. They are teaching in all the universities up and down the country, to young people who have no Irish blood in them.

This post will be seen as the mind of a far right bigot in many eyes, that's the way it works these days.
 
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Taverneeeeer said:
I cant remember the specifics but was it not a case of Sima being offside (allegedly) and so there was no need to check the handball (which was blatant). Same way the big screen on sunday said checking offside before it changed to checking handball for our penalty and the killie red?
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mate it never got to the offside .
the game restarted with a goal kick .
walsh didnt see the handball and our var man didn't think it warranted a penalty.
 
We can't dictate who referees.
However a fully unbiased and professional regulatory body should have taken action in relation to what happened that day.
We don't have one and this is what leads to the frustrations and drawing lines in the sand.
As for building bridges and using the media.
My memory of the media at the time was one of an orchestrated campaign of hostility verging on the gaslighting the club.
We have a hostile and biased media imo whose editors and journalists put out exactly what the owners want.
celtic can play the brazen game with impunity.
Can we say that we are being fleeced out of a title and potentially CL money.Outwith our drop in form and points the question remains valid imo.The word cheat is being levelled at our officials more and more and its not without some foundation.Again imo.
 
We operate in a sporting environment where:

The victim of a crime gets thrown out of The League, a sanction that was triggered by a club owner; whose club was trading whilst insolvent, and the same guy ended up hiding out in Chechnya with local warlords.

Oh, and a club who facilitated an industrial scale sex abuse ring for decades got handed the keys to the kingdom
 
JC85 said:
The club should've fixated on the actual handball incident and why Collum didn't send Walsh to the monitor. Instead they fixated on offside and audio, and leaked out the stupid "request". They allowed the actual fact of Collum ignoring a blatant handball to become a side issue. It was a shambles.
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Because you set off on the wrong footing, doesn't mean that you don't regroup and come back for another crack at it.
 
It was a terrible statement in the first place. When you try and tell the league who can't ref your games, you are going to get it from all angles.

Naive from our board.
 
So they'll have 12 men on the park - what's new in our rogue ref game?

VAR humiliates the Scottish game - BUT it has kept us in the running.

We ARE better than them and we need to show it
 
The outcry at the time was ‘tell them we don’t want Collum’, OK that’s what happened , now the outcry is that was not the thing to do. Let’s face facts, we are not good enough to take on Timothy, at present we live in hope. When we have a real Rangers team we will not need iffy decisions. We have a manager, we have the financial support from the fans, we need proper investment. Come on Rangers, as Steve G said ‘let’s go’
 
JC85 said:
What are you on about man? Football clubs can't dictate who can and can't referee their games. We made an absolute rip roaring c*nt of the situation with that nonsense.
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As I said above, we can't dictate the individual who refs us but we can dictate that our games should be reffed by impartial professionals who don't have a proven track record of cheating. Every club has the right to demand and expect that.

We should have stuck by our guns in demanding a level playing field where we aren't reffed by officials who have been caught red-handed cheating us. At the end of the day, Collum screwed us out of that game through that game changing decision and we when look back at the end of the season it could well be worth tens of millions.

Now the wee rat gets rewarded for that with a role reffing the biggest Old Firm game of the season?

The club did the hard part with their statement saying enough is enough and pushing for Collum to be taken off Rangers games. We should have held firm but we let it slide.
 
Stevie G would have torn Collum and his rogue pals to shreds with the Johnson tap out penalty etc....

Likewise he'd have LAUGHED at Beaton's pathetic treatment by Brenda - and questioned their AMAZING acceptance of Robertson to ref their games again.

Difference = HE WOULD HAVE KEPT IT IN THE SPORTING NEWS - and our riddled-with-rogue SFA fear that!!!!
 
Watched a documentary last night about Billy the kid. Check out the corruption by the Irish mob that called themselves, the house. We have in Scotland all these years later the same thing. It's called Celtic fc
 
We should be saying why these people shouldn’t be involved officiating our games.
Until then, it’s just all hot air from the club.
 
robbo89 said:
As I said above, we can't dictate the individual who refs us but we can dictate that our games should be reffed by impartial professionals who don't have a proven track record of cheating. Every club has the right to demand and expect that.

We should have stuck by our guns in demanding a level playing field where we aren't reffed by officials who have been caught red-handed cheating us. At the end of the day, Collum screwed us out of that game through that game changing decision and we when look back at the end of the season it could well be worth tens of millions.

Now the wee rat gets rewarded for that with a role reffing the biggest Old Firm game of the season?

The club did the hard part with their statement saying enough is enough and pushing for Collum to be taken off Rangers games. We should have held firm but we let it slide.
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What for? For Clancy, Roberston or Walsh to be given the game instead?
They are, arguably, worse than Colum.
 
robbo89 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1742632691458031916

In December we all plainly saw Collum cheat us out of a penalty at the piggery. Had it been given it might have won us not just the game but potentially the league title and £50m of CL income when you consider the meltdown that would have ensued across the city.

The club seemed to recognise the frustration and outrage of the support and for once they went on the front foot, publicly calling out the SFA and demanding that Collum was kept away from our games.

After the club had made it's position perfectly clear and got the total backing of the whole support behind them, why did we back down from this position?

It's an absolute slap in the face that Collum will be in the black for this all-important final Old Firm that will probably dictate which club takes the title and receives an unprecedented influx of CL cash.

We should have stayed firm in our demands. I doubt the SFA would have taken it to the courts where we could have defended our position by raising the unbalanced treatment and officiating Rangers have been subject to.
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We don’t dictate referees us ffs
 
Valley Bluenose said:
Wrong way around. They have to wait for the offence (handball) or a goal before they can go back and check the attacking phase of play to determine if there is an offside or any other offence in the build up.

The fact it took more than half an hour to 'discover' the alleged offside was the real issue.
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It might be mate but it definitely said checking offside first on Sunday before checking penalty. I agree with u though now you have said it, its definitely the other way round so must have just been the screen that was wrong.
 
dexter rfc said:
mate it never got to the offside .
the game restarted with a goal kick .
walsh didnt see the handball and our var man didn't think it warranted a penalty.
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Aye, i said after the first response that i just remembered that. I was out in the piss all day and obviously haven’t watched the game back
 
robbo89 said:
As I said above, we can't dictate the individual who refs us but we can dictate that our games should be reffed by impartial professionals who don't have a proven track record of cheating. Every club has the right to demand and expect that.

We should have stuck by our guns in demanding a level playing field where we aren't reffed by officials who have been caught red-handed cheating us. At the end of the day, Collum screwed us out of that game through that game changing decision and we when look back at the end of the season it could well be worth tens of millions.

Now the wee rat gets rewarded for that with a role reffing the biggest Old Firm game of the season?

The club did the hard part with their statement saying enough is enough and pushing for Collum to be taken off Rangers games. We should have held firm but we let it slide.
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Which one of the SFA's " impartial professionals " should be referring it then?
 
Collum is the old firm ref then?

About undeserved red cards for them, a few offside goals allowed for us and a sprinkling of unfair penalties for us would start to "even out" things a bit as it pertains to him
 
These same refs and officials will be back next year and the year after. It doesn't matter who the ref is, VAR will get more right than wrong which will benefit us long term. The team on the pitch has to learn how to win when it counts and be consistent enough to win the league. Nothing has or will change with regard to that. Focus on officials and you're giving the players who can't win for you a bye.
 
Blues and Royals said:
We should be saying why these people shouldn’t be involved officiating our games.
Until then, it’s just all hot air from the club.
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Who should ref it? Do you give it to the experienced guy at the top level or a ref from the junior, amateur or boys leagues? None of them are any good for you. Every club will want their turn picking who to ref as they all have the same complaints as us. It is up to the players to win, only panic merchant fans are afraid of refs, the players are fine, thankfully. What player starting a game of football is afraid of the ref?
 
Taverneeeeer said:
It might be mate but it definitely said checking offside first on Sunday before checking penalty. I agree with u though now you have said it, its definitely the other way round so must have just been the screen that was wrong.
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Think that was because the offside was given on the pitch, and if that was correct there'd be no point checking the penalty.

The offside at the piggery wasn't spotted until half an hour later, when they realised Collum's cheating had been a bit too brazen.
 
You can’t openly try and dictate who referees our games. It was quite a ridiculous request to leak and especially when the manager publicly disagreed.
 
JC85 said:
Think that was because the offside was given on the pitch, and if that was correct there'd be no point checking the penalty.

The offside at the piggery wasn't spotted until half an hour later, when they realised Collum's cheating had been a bit too brazen.
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That makes perfect sense mate. Fair doos. Strangely, im happier its collum rather than a perceived rangers supporter ref who would try too hard to appear non biased. See dickenson’s last few games for us as an example.
 
dexter rfc said:
mate it never got to the offside .
the game restarted with a goal kick .
walsh didnt see the handball and our var man didn't think it warranted a penalty.
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Thats exactly it. The question that should have been asked is why didn’t he think it was a penalty in the first place.
 
Celtic hounded Mike McCurry out of the game, they instigated the referee strike, I'm sure they got an assistant referee fired or phased out of the game as well (he gave a late penalty for us up at Tynecastle for a foul on Kyrgiakos.) Dougie McDonald was sacked because of them too. Hugh Dallas role within the SFA was terminated due to a joke in an email about the pope.

Yet WE can't dictate who referees our games?

The ball has been burst off the field for years up here, and nobody wants to admit it.
 
looway said:
Who should ref it? Do you give it to the experienced guy at the top level or a ref from the junior, amateur or boys leagues? None of them are any good for you. Every club will want their turn picking who to ref as they all have the same complaints as us. It is up to the players to win, only panic merchant fans are afraid of refs, the players are fine, thankfully. What player starting a game of football is afraid of the ref?
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You obviously haven’t watched any of the Old Firm games this season to see what is going on. It’s out of the players hands if officials are terrified of calling what should be correct decisions against one particular club because of the potential backlash.
 
It is not a coincidence collum has been selected for the most crucial game if the season. Him and his cohorts have been specially selected to ensure we don't win and it has the full backing of the football authorities. Corrupt crooked bigots run the game here and it is polluted with them from top to bottom. This is their insurance policy for Saturday.
 
SuperGers07 said:
The manager did not back the stance the club took and made sure to get that message across a few days later
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Correct. He threw the board under the bus very obviously at his press conference afterwards. Was pretty poor from him in all honesty. Not that I agreed that the club was right either but the manager doing what he did wasn't great.
 
Our board are full of alphabet soup without the letters!

They put boxing gloves on to protect their hands they won't throw a serious punch!

The Rings run the SFA that's why High Heels BROKE the rules, he knew his club would threaten the SFA part of his club and the SFA part of The Rings FC obliged and slapped a bow on one of High Heels heels!
 
The offside saved him. It shouldnt have but basically the rest of scottish football just shrugged there shoulders and went oh well the handballs irrelevant
 
When have the club ever not backed down on this sort of thing? The Dundee email fiasco was another that really bugged me. Just felt they got off too light
 
Dolly and Hivs both got apologies within days , we got nothing and were deemed to be wrong to complain by the Footballing authorities and the mhedia even some accusing us of bringing the game into disrepute We're now getting the GIRUY treatment from the SFA with this cheating tim appointment and it's no coincidence him of all refs got the nod. It is the way it works in our country and has for decades under the Lawwell headed cult containing McGifty and Mulraney.all equal in their hatred of Rangers. Our manager will eventually ( hopefully ) realise this in time the more he sees and experiences the one sided bias.
 
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Awaydays said:
I think what everyone is missing,is the fact that the media is now in the pocket of the Irish Brigade. There will be no building bridges as they have no intention of doing it. They have the boot on our throat and I have no idea how we shift it.We live in a country and I mean the whole UK which is sympathetic to sinn fein/ira. They are teaching in all the universities up and down the country, to young people who have no Irish blood in them.

This post will be seen as the mind of a far right bigot in many eyes, that's the way it works these days.
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Started at Bellahouston in 1982.

They told us they were going to do it and they carried it out with aplomb.

Why is everyone acting all surprised?
 
steniebear said:
Your right, but we could and should have demanded to hear what went on with VAR and the discussion. It was obvious to everyone that they came up with the offside midway through the second half. The dialogue that went on would have shown the cover up that took place. That in itself would have got rid of Collum.
For some reason we backed down .........................again and now we have Collum basically in charge of a league decider between the club that wanted him booted out and the club he supports.

In any other country in the world that would have been dealt with differently.
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You can demand something all you want but if someone doesn’t want to give you it, you won’t get it.
 
It was a ridiculous request/statement at the time.

Clement even distanced himself from the statement the next time Collum was appointed to one of our games.
 
Viatrophy said:
It’s a disgrace to be honest. We should be able to pick our own referees, I want Broxi the bear for the game at the weekend.
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit ,I think what gets most of us is that when the the scum complain about decisions they don't clam up after one letter of complaint and we see now the percentage of grade one refs being Catholic (Scum) fans is way above their proportion of the population.
 
cooprfc said:
Not sure if you're serious mate but the club cannot dictate who referees our games.

It was pretty stupid for that part to come out unofficially.
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As is most commonly the case in here, first reply nails it.

It says a lot that of our supporters will view most things as a negative and allow circumstances to plant seeds of doubt or drive a wedge between them and the board.
 
Rangers_2001 said:
The question that should have been asked is why didn’t he think it was a penalty in the first place.
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That, and who later started the narrative, by briefing Sky, that the non-award of a penalty didn't matter because SIMA was offside.

Presumably it was the SPFL, in a misguided attempt to cover for Collum's ineptitude, or bias, in deciding that Plug hadn't handled the ball.

Had Rangers demanded a public explanation of who was behind this narrative, and why, we would have had more support in the media, many in which, while being no fans of ours, agreed that a blatant penalty had been missed.

In demanding that a specific referee not be given any more of our games, perhaps thinking that this would play well with a furious fanbase, we lost so much of the moral high ground that we've not even attempted to recover it since.
 
Alexmci said:
Started at Bellahouston in 1982.

They told us they were going to do it and they carried it out with aplomb.

Why is everyone acting all surprised?
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That thought was going through my mind when I posted about it. It's been very successful.
 
Blues and Royals said:
You obviously haven’t watched any of the Old Firm games this season to see what is going on. It’s out of the players hands if officials are terrified of calling what should be correct decisions against one particular club because of the potential backlash.
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It is up to the players every game to win mucka. It is entirely in their hands to defend well and take their chances when the time comes. Last game hesitancy in defence and poor finishing cost us. That was down to the Rangers players not the ref. Anyway stop flapping about officials, if you're going to flap over something make it over whether Tav can defend maeda, who will partner Souter, whether borna gets replaced by a half fit ridvan, whether our midfield have what it takes to dominate, impact the game and score and whether Dessers can get a shot away when he has an age to manage it. That is a bigger issue than who refs the game. If you concentrate on refs then the players who can't do it when it counts get a bye. We can't beat them regardless of referee and it's our players who are in the last chance saloon not the ref.
 
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