Nobody is blaming just Tav. They're blaming Tav, Lundstrum, and Goldson, for a start. On tonight's absolute dog shit of a showing you can throw Lawrence into that mix. I wish it was just 1 player that is the root problem, but it isn't, it's several players. And if Clement wants to stay in a job and not go the way of those before him, he better realize this very fast, or this time next year he will be looking for a new job.
Why does every poor result get blamed on Tav?
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Russell Nash2
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He is a Habitual loser
A rid rotten defender
And as boring as egg shell yellow paint
And a worse Captain than Edward J Smith
He should have been stripped of the armband after his cowardly article in the programme 4 years ago
A rid rotten defender
And as boring as egg shell yellow paint
And a worse Captain than Edward J Smith
He should have been stripped of the armband after his cowardly article in the programme 4 years ago
SaulBearenson
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Good enough, given that we've got the best defensive record in the league.
He lost us the league the moment he shat the bed flapping and hesitated against maieda after 25 seconds . No one has recovered from that.
Outwith set pieces he’s offered very little from open play in 2024. Him and his big pal Goldson are targeted constantly down the right .
SaulBearenson
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I agree with the rest of your post, but Danilo has played less than 1000 minutes has 6 goals, and 5 assists.
Such sense doesn’t sit well on here pal
SaulBearenson
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Tell me when I'm telling lies.
SaulBearenson
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We did this under Gerrard - Jack went right, Kamara went left.
This messageboard didn't see that though and just whined about having "2 defensive midfielders against dross".
How many goals do we leak down his and his pal’s side? How does he defend in a team that has majority of possession in 95% of its games? How does he motivate his teammates when the chips are down? How many corners vs goals do we score with him taking them all?….
I’ll wait ……
The Tav ship has sailed
Wherever you are in the world mate, it’s time to either go to bed, or wake up…..to reality
FabioSilva'sDUG
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OP is spot on. He has his faults of course but he's playing with absolute jobbers and been under some dire managers. Clement has also been horrendous last few weeks.
TerryMunro
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We used to complain under Gerrard about the lack of clear cut chances. It’s not working.
The main advantage of an attacking fullback is it creates an extra man up front. To be fair Tav used to be able to get back for his defensive duties, he just can’t now.
We have switched to inverted fbs with them coming inside and the side players providing the width.
Thing is our wide players are not that great at taking player on and get ball back across goal.
It's being more obvious last 3/4 games it actually stops tav getting wife and putting calls in.
There's no rotation with wide player the strikers and inverted full back and they are not rotating so there's no ball available.
We actually look really poor since we have sent this way as much it is leaving gaps in midfield in defence and we have planks of wood up front.
Rodvan does role well with him or we have nothing in the middle of park
You can't just stick players on park and hope it works which is what v we seen to be doing
TerryMunro
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Clement seemed to be able to make the Tavernier factor work but these last few games have just brought back the memories of previous managers. You are right, you can just stick players like Scott Wright/Tillman out wide and tell him he has to defend also.
He’s a victim of his own individual success. The fundamental issue is we rely on his contributions too much and have done for so long that when he doesn’t create or score, nobody else will. And without fail, it becomes his fault. The team is absolutely bereft of any creativity.
TriggersBroom
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Ah so it’s now Tav’s fault no one gets on the end of them. Only one of them the keeper came and collected.
The rest landed where you’d want it to land in the box but as has been the case for as long as I can remember, we have very few players determined to get on the end of them
TriggersBroom
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He should have done better but 99/100 that ball deflects back to the keeper or out of the park.
It happened after 20 seconds. We played a further 95 or so minutes where we had more than enough chances to win the game. Was it his fault Goldson thought he was a keeper for the umpteenth time?
He stepped up again with a pressure penalty to get us back into the game, bottle merchant though.
Grouse
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Taverniers performances have gone through the floor. He is struggling with basic 20 yard passing.
Losing concentration 20 seconds into a must win old firm game is honestly just ridiculous.
I am absolutely sick of relying on our right back to score goals. It’s never been sustainable but we have never addressed it.
Losing concentration 20 seconds into a must win old firm game is honestly just ridiculous.
I am absolutely sick of relying on our right back to score goals. It’s never been sustainable but we have never addressed it.
Good enough should never be a description of a Rangers captain.
The Sentinal
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Tav gets bale a because we all look to him to produce something when the chips are down, which he often does.
The issue is, when he’s not in sparkling form himself, we are a very poor side.
Clement hasn’t covered himself in glory these past few weeks either. Or attacking play is really disjointed and we can’t break teams down.
The issue is, when he’s not in sparkling form himself, we are a very poor side.
Clement hasn’t covered himself in glory these past few weeks either. Or attacking play is really disjointed and we can’t break teams down.
100%.
barcelonabear
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It’s not just an on the pitch mentality, it’s the environment in which youth players, new signings are coming into! Our leaders are used to being 2nd place and proved they can’t handle pressure!
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TheBridgeLoyal
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No one is saying he’s the only problem. But he’s a big part in it.
Yourself and others are blinded and concentrate on Tav’s only positives, his goals, which will be replaced. Forgetting the fact he chucked the team under the bus 21 seconds into the biggest old firm in 12 years.
AchtungBaby
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He's an average defender but without his attacking contribution we'd be in a far worse position. I don't understand why he's not played in the right of midfield with a solid right back behind him.
Toyota blue
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Tav wasn’t the only one to be blamed for last night as let’s not forget we didn’t lose any goals , but when we lose a goal look where Tav is .
He is never too be seen .
Mostly running back from a centre forward position .
Maybe the manager needs to have the balls to put in a different right back and use Tav further up the field .
This is not a new thought , it’s been on here before .
As for Goldson , I can never forget his part in the Frankfurt goal so I have no time for him.
He is never too be seen .
Mostly running back from a centre forward position .
Maybe the manager needs to have the balls to put in a different right back and use Tav further up the field .
This is not a new thought , it’s been on here before .
As for Goldson , I can never forget his part in the Frankfurt goal so I have no time for him.
Comment like that shows there’s absolutely no nuance / objectivity in this argument.
Most people don't blame him entirely, but he's been part of multiple different groups of players who have exhibited the same weaknesses and seem to revert to type at some point in a season. So I don't think its a crazy jump of logic to think he's part of the problem.
Mr Wilton
Tolkien Gesture
Exactly! Managers get sacked for bad results, but they are not kicking a ball are they! It’s a failure of leadership!
scooter70
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It’s absolutely mind numbing that anyone can defend this any longer
He is the epitome of what is wrong with this team, can produce fantastic moments then crumbles before your very eyes
Clearly not all down to him but it’s time to move on from him and a few others, they are what they are and won’t change now
Our biggest rivals see our captain and Vice captain as joke figures whilst many on here see them as idols, it’s all a bit weird really but as I said, time both parties moved on from each other
He is the epitome of what is wrong with this team, can produce fantastic moments then crumbles before your very eyes
Clearly not all down to him but it’s time to move on from him and a few others, they are what they are and won’t change now
Our biggest rivals see our captain and Vice captain as joke figures whilst many on here see them as idols, it’s all a bit weird really but as I said, time both parties moved on from each other
Calvinist
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Year after year , we collapse (with one exception).
We have had different managers,backroom staff and squad players and the result is the same.
If we go into next season with Tav,Golson and JL don't be surprised to see much of the same.
The team needs completely gutted.
We have had different managers,backroom staff and squad players and the result is the same.
If we go into next season with Tav,Golson and JL don't be surprised to see much of the same.
The team needs completely gutted.
ColdLager
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Corners are a waste of time when Tav does exactly the same thing trying to get Goldson.
I would direct you to the current thread on TC
In his last three games he has given the ball away every third touch.
That’s a horrific stat and a lot worse than any other player.
Aimless pass in the first minute and 20 seconds later Dundee are attacking down his side and he’s no where to be seen.
Second half he’s no where to be seen so the defence shuffle over one position and the Dundee captain is left in loads of space.
He said Rangers would learn from Sunday. What kind of learning was it?
Season after season when under pressure we fail. Managers have gone, he has remained and so have the same patterns of failure.
That’s a horrific stat and a lot worse than any other player.
Aimless pass in the first minute and 20 seconds later Dundee are attacking down his side and he’s no where to be seen.
Second half he’s no where to be seen so the defence shuffle over one position and the Dundee captain is left in loads of space.
He said Rangers would learn from Sunday. What kind of learning was it?
Season after season when under pressure we fail. Managers have gone, he has remained and so have the same patterns of failure.
Tav is a right back
A right back is a defender
Tav fails to defend
Tav is often targeted because he is seen as a weak link in our defence
Tav has no influence on the park as club captain
Tav fails to understand what the responsibilities of being club captain entails
No amount of assists and goals can change the fact that Tav is a poor defender
A right back is a defender
Tav fails to defend
Tav is often targeted because he is seen as a weak link in our defence
Tav has no influence on the park as club captain
Tav fails to understand what the responsibilities of being club captain entails
No amount of assists and goals can change the fact that Tav is a poor defender
Not sure if you are serious - He has been absolutely awful and can't lead his team to beat Ross Co and Dundee. There is your starting point.
A bizarre comment.
John Greig and Richard Gough and Barry Ferguson only wore the armband as an administrative requirement?
Stevie G at Liverpool just ticking a box?
Sir Alex to Willie Miller or Roy Keane, "Here, shove this armband on, it doesn't really mean anything, but somebody's got to do it."
I think I've spotted a flaw in your argument
prenzlauerbear
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We were having the exact same discussion about Tavernier after being pumped out the cups by Celtic last year.
We've still not won a game against them since and have also gift wrapped them another title. The "leadership group" have hardly covered themselves in glory in the biggest matches.
It's groundhog day. It's pretty easy to see why most fans are at the end of their tether with the same players coming off second best.
Someone summed it up on here yesterday in that the vast majority have given up with this group, aside from the ones that would let them pump their wives. It's true; some are so beholden to the idea of them finally coming good and lifting one more title that they point blank refuse to see the reality of what is unfolding in real time.
We've still not won a game against them since and have also gift wrapped them another title. The "leadership group" have hardly covered themselves in glory in the biggest matches.
It's groundhog day. It's pretty easy to see why most fans are at the end of their tether with the same players coming off second best.
Someone summed it up on here yesterday in that the vast majority have given up with this group, aside from the ones that would let them pump their wives. It's true; some are so beholden to the idea of them finally coming good and lifting one more title that they point blank refuse to see the reality of what is unfolding in real time.
Barryhopez
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If in doubt, just make stuff up to try and emphasise your point.
Blue Booda
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he should have / if only / it was only 20 secs......
8 seasons - 1 title, when is it going to sink in ??????
TheLizardKing
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Genuinely think there’s folk in our support who are Tavernier fans before Rangers fans. Guy is a serial loser who’s at the heart of a culture of failure and weakness in that dressing room. It’s time to go. We cannot give it another go and hope it’ll be different next season.
ForeverBlue1972
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Because he can’t defend I think we should move him forward so he doesn’t need to be over reliant on defending put sterling in his place get goldson to f don’t care if he is on big wages we can’t sell him as no one will buy him he’s a squad player now
CaptainCourageous
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He's part of the problem. Past his sell by stay, over stayed his welcome.
Needs moved on along with Lundstram, Goldson and the ones out of contract in the summer: Balogun, Borna, Roofe and co.
Throw in a few under contract too: Dessers, Davies, Lawerence, Dowell.
Needs moved on along with Lundstram, Goldson and the ones out of contract in the summer: Balogun, Borna, Roofe and co.
Throw in a few under contract too: Dessers, Davies, Lawerence, Dowell.
Barryhopez
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How do you know this? Have the players confided in you?
TheBridgeLoyal
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Yep I’d agree with that. Just look at this thread, Tav can do no wrong in their eyes.
As long as Tav keeps scoring goals and Rangers keep being serial losers, they’ll be happy.
Ranger1003
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Am no blaming tav,goldson,lundstrum but ill tell you this. Tavs crosses constantly hitting off folk, goldsons 40 passes out the park and lundstrums 3 yeard passes miles away from the player doesnt help. Dessers 1st touch is a tackle. Lawrence brings nothing to the table.
CaptainCourageous
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How do you know this? Have the players confided in you?
Surely the proof is in the pudding. It's been an ongoing issue for years. When the going gets tough where are the leaders?
Nowhere to be seen. Tavernier is supposed to be one of our leaders.
