Who will monitor VAR Scotland

Bluebeard

Bluebeard

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Word is we will have VAR next season.

My question is one that may or may not be able to be answered by someone ITK or with an idea how it runs in England and abroad.

What is the normal procedure for who monitors these big decisions back in the tv studio? Is it an ex referee looking for things? Is it an approved VAR trained official? Will we have one for each SPL game next season? And who will it be?

I want VAR it’s long overdue. However I have a major concern that the decisions we have seen week in week out this season favouring the yahoos will only continue and even get worse unless we have balanced, independent individuals in the booths checking the incidents.

Thoughts bears?

Edit - sensible replies only please we have all heard the”it will be Clancy, Gerry adams and Graham Speirs” jokes and they are boring as fck.
 
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Barryhopez said:
There is some amount of hysteria over VAR.

Shoddy decisions can be overlooked as a crap official can say they missed it or whatever but the notion Peter Lawwell or Kevin Clancy will be in a studio with VAR making blatant/shoddy decisions is insane.
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It’s mental.

Not even Ian Bankier, Kevin Clancy or the most staunchest of 19th Century Terrorist could cover up VAR.
 
Barryhopez said:
There is some amount of hysteria over VAR.

Shoddy decisions can be overlooked as a crap official can say they missed it or whatever but the notion Peter Lawwell or Kevin Clancy will be in a studio with VAR making blatant/shoddy decisions is insane.
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I was going to put in my OP please don’t reply with bad jokes about Clancy, the pope and Lawell in the VAR booth. I thought I don’t need to bother nobody will surely. 2 posts it took :rolleyes:
 
Bluebeard said:
I was going to put in my OP please don’t reply with bad jokes about Clancy, the pope and Lawell in the VAR booth. I thought I don’t need to bother nobody will surely. 2 posts it took :rolleyes:
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You can eye roll all you want mate. Folk appear to think that (insert name :D) will get a VAR check for a clear onside goal for Rangers and, after checking, rule it out. Then....wait for it....Celtic score a clear offside goal off their players hand, it somehow gets ruled out, VAR check it........and give the goal.

It's madness!!!
 
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There's is no way they will be able to get away with blatant decisions like Sakala penalty. Its madness to suggest that.
Same for offsides.

But the likes of the first penalty shout, 100% pen for me, but some pundits and ex Refs are saying no or at best "seen them given" statements.
Same will be for some sending off shouts.
So there will still be controversy and interpretation.

But VAR will be monumentally more fair that the current shit show.
 
Coopertrueblue said:
Report on Sky stating if the clubs want it they must pay £100k per club per season. It will be voted down.

Only in Scotland could this happen
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It’s been costed at 82k per season per top flight club . Absolute peanuts even in Scottish terms. It will go ahead.

Some people seem to be completely missing my point in the OP.

I am in favour of VAR.

My point is whoever is in the booth is key, people saying referees can’t hide anymore with it etc, the fact is unless an incident is chosen to be highlighted by whoever is controlling VAR, you won’t even get the chance to see the replay of the incident in the first place.

Instead of making shite jokes about lawell etc does anyone actually have a sensible answer as to who it is who monitors it and who decides what incidents are worth highlighting during match time?
 
In England, it is current referees viewing the games from a central location based at Stockley Park(?) - the FAs training base.

In general, the VAR is watching the game from his own perspective rather than just going with the what the on-field officials are doing. They intervene if they see something and advise the on-field referee to have a look. That's what happened last Thursday in Dortmund - very few in the ground actually noticed the handball incident for the penalty until the VAR stepped in.
 
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Bluebeard said:
It’s been costed at 82k per season per top flight club . Absolute peanuts even in Scottish terms. It will go ahead.

Some people seem to be completely missing my point in the OP.

I am in favour of VAR.

My point is whoever is in the booth is key, people saying referees can’t hide anymore with it etc, the fact is unless an incident is chosen to be highlighted by whoever is controlling VAR, you won’t even get the chance to see the replay of the incident in the first place.

Instead of making shite jokes about lawell etc does anyone actually have a sensible answer as to who it is who monitors it and who decides what incidents are worth highlighting during match time?
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I think the answer is who knows who will be watching the screens but I can’t imagine it will be current refs? We simply don’t have enough? Ex refs brought in I suspect?

On a related matter, I heard the other day that the bulk of the cost is the offside technology as this is obviously supplied by a 3rd party so I hope we don’t take the half arse approach and go with 2 ex refs rewinding sky and continue to guess offsides.
 
Bluebeard said:
Word is we will have VAR next season.

My question is one that may or may not be able to be answered by someone ITK or with an idea how it runs in England and abroad.

What is the normal procedure for who monitors these big decisions back in the tv studio? Is it an ex referee looking for things? Is it an approved VAR trained official? Will we have one for each SPL game next season? And who will it be?

I want VAR it’s long overdue. However I have a major concern that the decisions we have seen week in week out this season favouring the yahoos will only continue and even get worse unless we have balanced, independent individuals in the booths checking the incidents.

Thoughts bears?

Edit - sensible replies only please we have all heard the”it will be Clancy, Gerry adams and Graham Speirs” jokes and they are boring as fck.
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England - VAR is based at Stockley Park in the London Brough of Hillingdon where they watch each game on screens

VAR is a current referee official who has been trained for it for each game and looking for certain offences

So if asking about the SPFL Premiership

Rangers v Celtic
Ref - Willie Collum
VAR - Bobby Madden
 
Coopertrueblue said:
Report on Sky stating if the clubs want it they must pay £100k per club per season. It will be voted down.

Only in Scotland could this happen
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Womes football will have VAR before Scotland does. Tin pot league.

3 games from Europe to SPFL shows how important VAR is;

Dortmund vs Rangers - if that’s in Scotland we draw 2-2. VAR awards us a penalty and onside goal that was originally ruled offside.

Celtic vs Bodø/Glimt - in Scotland the officials blank the offside and focus on the clash between Khaikin and Carter-Vickers - penalty Celtic at 1-0 down.

Dundee United vs Rangers - two stonewall penalties denied and a reckless challenge from Charlie Mulgrew.

They would have at least had a look at the Celtic handball decision against Dundee - would probably have been waved away but you never know. Head/body onto hand have been given under VAR.
 
rangeral said:
England - VAR is based at Stockley Park in the London Brough of Hillingdon where they watch each game on screens

VAR is a current referee official who has been trained for it for each game and looking for certain offences

So if asking about the SPFL Premiership

Rangers v Celtic
Ref - Willie Collum
VAR - Bobby Madden
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that would be fine
 
theytriedtokillus said:
Where are you getting the information from? I would like to read about it myself.
it was quoted on here a few weeks ago that some refs had already been trained for it but it still doesn't mean we are getting it soon.
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I know a few of those getting trained. I am not sure how long the training lasts though. I think it started a month of so back but can’t remember.
 
As painful as some of our performances and results have been and i feel we need to own our part in where we are i do 100% believe if we had VAR we are very comfortably clear at the top.
The only decisions i can remember this season that would have done us with VAR would have been sakalas goal at home v motherwell when he was clearly offide and maybe the penalty up at the sheep that wasnt given but apart from that I can’t think of another?
Kents sending off v sheep, 2 penalties on sunday are a few i can instantly think off that are different with var in our favour.

The bheasty boys on the other hand?
Clear offside goal v hearts
Clear offside goal v dundee
Clear offside goal v aberdeen (obstruction)
Stonewall penalty not given v dundee utd at 1-1
Stonewall penalty not given v dundee right at end
Stonewall penalty v livi and their player not being sent off either.
Theres no doubt a few more but off the top of my head thats easy 11 points better off they are due to some ‘honest mistakes’.
 
rangeral said:
England - VAR is based at Stockley Park in the London Brough of Hillingdon where they watch each game on screens

VAR is a current referee official who has been trained for it for each game and looking for certain offences

So if asking about the SPFL Premiership

Rangers v Celtic
Ref - Willie Collum
VAR - Bobby Madden
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Do we have enough referees for that up here though mate? Basically sounds like it requires two refs per game
 
Rangers_2001 said:
I know a few of those getting trained. I am not sure how long the training lasts though. I think it started a month of so back but can’t remember.
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Im hopeful thats its going to be brought in, there are too many decisions going against us.
how long does it take to train someone to make a square sign in the air and then go watch a telly?
joking aside its needed in Scottish football.
 
mck1872 said:
Probably the Pope.
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probably something like this with a you know what scarf on the one of the left :)

two-popes-the-2019-002-watching-tv.jpg
 
Bluebeard said:
It’s been costed at 82k per season per top flight club . Absolute peanuts even in Scottish terms. It will go ahead.

Some people seem to be completely missing my point in the OP.

I am in favour of VAR.

My point is whoever is in the booth is key, people saying referees can’t hide anymore with it etc, the fact is unless an incident is chosen to be highlighted by whoever is controlling VAR, you won’t even get the chance to see the replay of the incident in the first place.

Instead of making shite jokes about lawell etc does anyone actually have a sensible answer as to who it is who monitors it and who decides what incidents are worth highlighting during match time?
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Simple enough to have specialists , including referees , in our nations handle the remote management if it could be in Netherlands or Honolulu matters not .

As easy as offshoring
 
frazz said:
Var is now under fifa control they have certain companies systems that associations need to use they also have technical standards including the operation to maintain which again sits under fifa
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Yeah there's a requirement for how many cameras need to be used for each game and at minimum it needs to be 5. Most clubs only use 3 for their coverage so clubs would need to hire additional equipment and camera men to do the job. That's apparently the stumbling block for some clubs on top of the £100k from each club per season.
 
superallythe2nd said:
In England, it is current referees viewing the games from a central location based at Stockley Park(?) - the FAs training base.

In general, the VAR is watching the game from his own perspective rather than just going with the what the on-field officials are doing. They intervene if they see something and advise the on-field referee to have a look. That's what happened last Thursday in Dortmund - very few in the ground actually noticed until the VAR stepped in.
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That guy clearly was a football man and had a keen eye. I just don’t see that kind of intervention happening when we get it.
 
To answer the OP, it hasn't been decided yet. It's current referees pretty much everywhere else. The only reason I can think of that it wouldn't be current refs in Scotland is that we might not have enough of them. In which case I'd guess they'd probably ask a few former refs.

Either way, VAR puts an end to the absolutely blatant ones that go against us. The handball on Sunday probably doesn't get changed as it's a bit of a grey area, but we 100% get the penalty for Sakala and the boy gets sent off, and so does Mulgrew for the challenge on Arfield.
 
Bluebeard said:
Do we have enough referees for that up here though mate? Basically sounds like it requires two refs per game
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Actually good on numbers as you need

Main ref
AR1 - lineman
AR2 - lineman
4th official
VAR
AVAR? England & UEFA have them not sure about other countries but guess they have them as well

6 games = 36 officials

Training match officials is key so includes lineman as well
 
Rangers_2001 said:
I know a few of those getting trained. I am not sure how long the training lasts though. I think it started a month of so back but can’t remember.
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Ask them who is going to be in charge of the VAR booths who is it behind the scenes deciding what gets looked at please
 
rangeral said:
Actually good on numbers as you need

Main ref
4th official
VAR
AVAR? (England & UEFA) have them not sure about other countries but guess they have them as well

6 games = 24 officials

Training match officials is key so includes lineman as well
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What AVAR? Do we have enough for this.
 
Doesn’t really matter who’s in the VAR room, could have Dermot Gallagher in there and these refs would still make the wrong decision.
 
rangeral said:
Yes 2 watching the screen might be others as well you often say that when there is a tournament one
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I really hope we use independent officials from down south or Europe because I don’t trust ours and I don’t believe we have enough of them to cover the games
 
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