Will the World Cup be shown in 4K?

Draper1872

Draper1872

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As per the title.

Was thinking of getting a banging Sony TV and taking a week off. Would love to know if the gurus on here think it will be shown in 4K?

I was reading that the last one was shown in 4K as a trial in the UK but can't remember much.

Ive never watched football in 4K but was blown away when i first saw it. Can you imagine watching in SD these days? its brutal. You can't pick out a player the image is that bad. How did we do it!
 
I read that if you buy a HiSense 4k TV then they will have the whole world cup in 4k via their own app on the tv as they are one of the major sponsors.
For the UK though the games are on BBC or ITV and they don't have dedicated 4k channels so only a few if any will be in 4k perhaps via their on demand apps
 
I’d hope so, but looks like it’ll be online only. Still a distinct lack of UHD channels, and 4K channels are even further away due to the bandwidth requirements.

Be interested to see how it compares to say the services in The States.
 
Brady84 said:
Streaming it quite possibly.... your not gonna be picking it up from your aerial or through sky/virgin etc though

Although "technically" your just buying into bullshit and its not actually true 4k or UHD
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Yeah, the difference between what Sky and BBC are offering as UHD compared to a proper 4K blu Ray is quite obvious. Don’t get me wrong, Sky’s UHD channel is decent and a definite improvement on HD, but still a long way to go.
 
Whilst the difference between SD and HD is huge, having watched UHD football on Sky i hardly notice the diffetence with HD.
 
Gdawg said:
Whilst the difference between SD and HD is huge, having watched UHD football on Sky i hardly notice the diffetence with HD.
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It will be the TV you are watching 4k on.

Super UHD LG TVs that costs £1,000 dont have the proper capability. Its the top notch Sony and OLED TVs that you notice the difference.
 
Draper1872 said:
It will be the TV you are watching 4k on.

Super UHD LG TVs that costs £1,000 dont have the proper capability. Its the top notch Sony and OLED TVs that you notice the difference.
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I'm curious.... care to expand on that? What do you mean by proper capability?


As for the World Cup, there's been a steady stream of countries announcing they'll be showing it in 4k. I suspect we'll get it too, although maybe a limited selection of games.
 
Sky Q uses HDMI so depending on your TV it may already be getting upscaled regardless of the resolution setting on the Sky box as the TV will do this bit. It means when you do go UHD the jump is not so much.
 
TimzRFudz said:
I'm curious.... care to expand on that? What do you mean by proper capability?


As for the World Cup, there's been a steady stream of countries announcing they'll be showing it in 4k. I suspect we'll get it too, although maybe a limited selection of games.
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The guy in John Lewis said that most of the TVs that said they are UHD aren't really 4K. There is a Sony XE55900 now down to £1000 from £1700. This is the lowest price you will find that is actually capable of showing 4K.
 
Feeling like a bit of a pauper! Never even thought about getting a tv capable of 4K. Don’t even have an HD sky subscription.
 
albax said:
I read that if you buy a HiSense 4k TV then they will have the whole world cup in 4k via their own app on the tv as they are one of the major sponsors.
For the UK though the games are on BBC or ITV and they don't have dedicated 4k channels so only a few if any will be in 4k perhaps via their on demand apps
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I have a hisense 4K tv so that’s great news.
 
Draper1872 said:
The guy in John Lewis said that most of the TVs that said they are UHD aren't really 4K. There is a Sony XE55900 now down to £1000 from £1700. This is the lowest price you will find that is actually capable of showing 4K.
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You have no clue.
 
Draper1872 said:
I've spent the last few weeks reading about the tech and speaking to specialists.

Simmer
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Good for you, so hopefully you understand that if the TV can display an output of 4096 x 2160 px it will it will play your media in 4k.
 
B33ADHD said:
Good for you, so hopefully you understand that if the TV can display an output of 4096 x 2160 px it will it will play your media in 4k.
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I think that’s the point he’s making though, some of the 4K tellies are actually UHD, and people have been wrongly told that UHD = 4K.

4K tellies in general have been brilliant for sleazy salesmen to sell TV’s to people that don’t need them. Lost count of the number of people who have bought 4K TVs, thinking they were upgrading from their 1080p set, but they don’t have HDR or Dolby Vision, so they’re out of date as soon as they’re out the box. It’s a total con IMO.
 
Draper1872 said:
The guy in John Lewis said that most of the TVs that said they are UHD aren't really 4K. There is a Sony XE55900 now down to £1000 from £1700. This is the lowest price you will find that is actually capable of showing 4K.
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Guy in Lewis's was basically talking shite mate.

I've got a £800 Bravia with 4k and HDR, wired up to my Sky Q box and its pretty shit hot. And definitely 4k.

There's no denying that OLED etc raises the bar, but that's nothing to do with the resolution.
 
B33ADHD said:
Good for you, so hopefully you understand that if the TV can display an output of 4096 x 2160 px it will it will play your media in 4k.
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The point I was originally making is that the resolution doesn't matter if the bit-rate isnt the same

Pretty much everything you stream or watch on sky/virgin/netflix/amazon etc in 4k/UHD/HDR is lower quality than watching a 1080p bluray

Doesnt matter that there is 4x more pixels, because each individual pixel has 10 times less detail

EDIT: So while it is 4k, its pretty much false advertising to call it that & just ripping people off (the same way the guy in the shop selling you the TV to start with is)
 
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Mez said:
I’d hope so, but looks like it’ll be online only. Still a distinct lack of UHD channels, and 4K channels are even further away due to the bandwidth requirements.

Be interested to see how it compares to say the services in The States.
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I am looking forward to the different services. I am in the UK for the first week and last week. I am in New York for the middle fortnight.

Can’t wait. Thinking about changing job to get a couple of months off.
 
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Netflix is a good example I think.

You might have a 4k screen, but your network provider might only stream SD quality. That does happen.


And the signal source matter a lot to.
When HD hit via Sky, the basic signal was upscaled by the box and transmitted to the screen. Really just providing extra dots to make it not look 'blocky', but not really HD.

Folk buy way too big screens, just because they 'can'.

The HiSense app sounds good tho.
 
albax said:
I read that if you buy a HiSense 4k TV then they will have the whole world cup in 4k via their own app on the tv as they are one of the major sponsors.
For the UK though the games are on BBC or ITV and they don't have dedicated 4k channels so only a few if any will be in 4k perhaps via their on demand apps
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Yasss i just bought one comes on Saturday
 
Superrangers said:
I am looking forward to the different services. I am in the UK for the first week and last week. I am in New York for the middle fortnight.

Can’t wait. Thinking about changing job to get a couple of months off.
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North America is so far behind when it comes to TV and broadcasting I would not get my hopes up.

If you were going to Japan then I would certainly see the point, a good few games will be broadcast over the air in 4K.
 
Stivenstoune said:
North America is so far behind when it comes to TV and broadcasting I would not get my hopes up.

If you were going to Japan then I would certainly see the point, a good few games will be broadcast over the air in 4K.
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Whenever I see the NFL, when I’m in the US, the picture looks better than here. I normally go three times a year as all my inlaws live there. I have a 4K tv with the full lot of hd channels here.
 
Draper1872 said:
The guy in John Lewis said that most of the TVs that said they are UHD aren't really 4K. There is a Sony XE55900 now down to £1000 from £1700. This is the lowest price you will find that is actually capable of showing 4K.
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Well he is semi telling the truth - some of the lower end LG LCD's are not true 4K. They add a white sub-pixel meaning that it is a 2.8K display.

Not sure if any of the 2018 LG models will use these RGBW panels but of course some of the lower end products from other manufacturers may also use these RGBW IPS panels from LG display.

I will add that not all LG IPS panels use the RGBW pixel structure just the low end bargain ones ...
 
Kanye West said:
I have a hisense 4K tv so that’s great news.
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Quite possibly it will be available only on the new 2018 models - not sure what content it will offer either as ITV and BBC are the rights holders for the UK. Highly doubt it will be showing live matches in 4K as we haven't heard of any partnership with either of the above, or indeed if they will provide live 4K feeds.
 
Superrangers said:
Whenever I see the NFL, when I’m in the US, the picture looks better than here. I normally go three times a year as all my inlaws live there. I have a 4K tv with the full lot of hd channels here.
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The majority of the broadcasters don't even use the full HD range here in North America.

The best quality is 1080i where most are 720p they just don't have the bandwidth to support 1080p never mind higher resolution.

Even the 4k broadcast is not the full rate and up-converted.
 
As mentioned above, HDR is the important factor in new TVs. Nearly all new TVs these days can display 4k/uhd but only the decent ones can do it well. There are a few around the £1k price range that are ok at it.

As for improvement over HD, it also depends on the content. I can see the difference with BTsport 4k and Amazon. Just looks a bit clearer and more detail. Maybe not as much difference as going from SD to HD tho'.
 
I know nothing about tv's and tech, but was was looking to buy a new upgrade to my existing 2015 curved 4k Sony tv. Probably not the way to do it but I took the guys advice in richer sounds and went for (apparently just released) Sony 65xf9005. Sold me on some jargon about back lighting and Dolby vision (not really sure what either of those mean). I just assumed the world cup would be on 4k..... so getting a bit worried now (not to mention spending over 2 grand on a tv with just a salesmans word for it.
 
HerMajesty's11 said:
I know nothing about tv's and tech, but was was looking to buy a new upgrade to my existing 2015 curved 4k Sony tv. Probably not the way to do it but I took the guys advice in richer sounds and went for (apparently just released) Sony 65xf9005. Sold me on some jargon about back lighting and Dolby vision (not really sure what either of those mean). I just assumed the world cup would be on 4k..... so getting a bit worried now (not to mention spending over 2 grand on a tv with just a salesmans word for it.
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The TV is an absolute belter mate. Would have loved one. Pretty sure we will get 4K
 
albax said:
I read that if you buy a HiSense 4k TV then they will have the whole world cup in 4k via their own app on the tv as they are one of the major sponsors.
For the UK though the games are on BBC or ITV and they don't have dedicated 4k channels so only a few if any will be in 4k perhaps via their on demand apps
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I've read that this is just for USA customers ....

https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-watch-world-cup-tv-4k-online-mobile

"As the official TV sponsor of the tournament, Hisense announced a special app that will stream matches in 4K. However, it sounds like it's a US-only promotion with no announcement of a similar app for UK Hisense owners."

I've read the same on AV Forums.

It seems the only hope in the UK is for BBC or ITV to stream it via BBCiPlayer or ITVHub.
 
Draper1872 said:
The guy in John Lewis said that most of the TVs that said they are UHD aren't really 4K. There is a Sony XE55900 now down to £1000 from £1700. This is the lowest price you will find that is actually capable of showing 4K.
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Not trying to shoot you down mate but that is absoloute nonsense lol
 
I have a UHD-premium certified 65" TV and watching UHD blu rays (or downloaded lossless remuxes of them) in 4K HDR has to be seen to be believed. Planet Earth II and Blue Planet II are utterly jaw dropping
 
Remember with OLED that although it's a newer tech and undoubtedly has better blacks, etc, it can't get anywhere near the peak brightness of LCD, which for HDR content can make a difference. My TV goes as high as 1500 nits, not sure what the limit of OLED is but it's nowhere near that.
 
Draper1872 said:
The TV is an absolute belter mate. Would have loved one. Pretty sure we will get 4K
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Made me slightly worried when the salesman kept referring to it as a mid range tv. £2300 for a mid range..... how much are the top range tv's o_O

Also come next May gerrard lifting the premiership trophy will look sweet in 65 inch 4k on sky ;)
 
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