Dressing Room Split?

[Albertz82]

Seen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.

Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.

What have others seen or heard?

 

[Pioneer]

Any dressing room animosity surely can’t be the manager’s fault at this point.

There’s a group stinking the place out and have seen off multiple managers.

 

[stefanovitch]

No one wants to be subbed and if you start you won't want to be subbed off so I have no issue there.

 

[CLMGC]

There's a common denominator here and it's certainly not the manager.

 

[Albertz82]

Any dressing room animosity surely can’t be the manager’s fault as this point. There’s a group stinking the place out and have seen off multiple managers.

Agreed but if it is players which ones and why are they still here? I'm of the opinion that we are seeing the same patterns and it can't be the managers fault, all of them that we have that is.

 

[GR3RFC]

Seems like the usual chat that comes out when things aren't going well. Players wanting to play is a good thing and most won't be happy about being subbed when they/the team haven't played well.

Our much bigger issue is the mercenaries and crocks happy to sit in the house or on the bench and pick up a handsome salary for delivering absolutely nothing, taking up a significant portion of our budget in doing so.

 

[Damsidebear]

No one wants to be subbed and if you start you won't want to be subbed off so I have no issue there.

Agreed.

 

[Albertz82]

I hope the manager gets the full support to make the changes he needs in the summer, I also hope he does know what those changes need to be and makes them.

 

[PaulieGualtieri]

Brilliant, a made up internet rumour.

 

[gu_bear]

I think it looks like a pretty unified dressing room to me.

Unified from the perspective that when the going gets tough, they all shirk responsibility and they are happy to ride it out until eventually the manager carries the can.

They then pick up under a new manager for a bit before rinsing and repeating.

They’ve done it under 3 managers now and 4 if you include some of them that very nearly got Gerrard sacked pre Covid.

It’s a really comfortable dressing room safe in the knowledge that someone else will get blamed for their shortcomings.

 

[kirkiebluenose]

Open your eyes these players are losers they don’t care whether they win or lose trophies it doesn’t matter that much to run of the mill footballers

 

[Albertz82]

I think it looks like a pretty unified dressing room to me.

Unified from the perspective that when the going gets tough, they all shirk responsibility and they are happy to ride it out until eventually the manager carries the can.

They then pick up under a new manager for a bit before rinsing and repeating.

They’ve done it under 3 managers now and 4 if you include some of them that very nearly got Gerrard sacked pre Covid.

It’s a really comfortable dressing room safe in the knowledge that someone else will get blamed for their shortcomings.

I think it seems very similar to what has been happening at Man Utd over the years.

 

[Staunch blue 72]

The players have already seen off 3 managers so I wouldn’t be surprised if some have spat the dummy at Clement now. That dressing room needs wholesale changes

 

[ARFC]

It's the strops & huffs some of them take if being subbed off, if you can't realise or accept you've played poorly, totally on the player not the manager. Just got a feeling he has little to no interest in Cantwell though, which could have been caused by subbing him in the first half of a game then refusing to do the same to other players when we've arguably played worse. Silvas antics are petulant & glad he is only here on loan.

 

[hands_across_the_sea]

Seen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.

Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.

What have others seen or heard?

I back the manager. Get rid of the players causing the shit if this is the case. These players have played under various managers and still losers so we know where the problem lies

 

[Goldsonbauer]

Given we heard the same kinda stuff around the last 2 or 3 managers, I'm starting to think the players and the leadership group might be somewhat of an issue here.

Just ever so slightly.

 

[julian candy]

What are the rest of the girls in the group chat saying? What's the goss?

Honest to god man.

 

[jigster]

Seen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.

Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.

What have others seen or heard?

where and where ? in regards dressing room split and manager has lost the confidence of the players .

ps, players should look unhappy in our present circumstances

 

[The Gooner]

I said when Gio lost his job that senior players like Goldson and Tavernier let him down and it’s the same people who are still playing every week. The manager needs to let them know that he’s going nowhere and if they don’t like it they should leave.

 

[IsaacClarke]

Seems like the usual chat that comes out when things aren't going well. Players wanting to play is a good thing and most won't be happy about being subbed when they/the team haven't played well.

Our much bigger issue is the mercenaries and crocks happy to sit in the house or on the bench and pick up a handsome salary for delivering absolutely nothing, taking up a significant portion of our budget in doing so.

Yup, every single time. Happens with all clubs though, not just us.

Was the same when we were awful after the winter break in the first 2 seasons under Gerrard. Some of the players that were there at the time, and have moved on, have been asked about it and not a single one said there was any split in the dressing room or unrest. They just lost form and weren't getting results.

 

[Big philly style]

The players have already seen off 3 managers so I wouldn’t be surprised if some have spat the dummy at Clement now. That dressing room needs wholesale changes

3 managers that they play out their skin for the first few months then revert to type

 

[IbroxMainStand]

We have a large group of players who are going out of contract. The negotiations over these deals would have been happening around a month ago when this started.

Has happened before at bigger clubs than us when some aren't happy at no renewal or reduced terms offered and then that spreads throughout the squad. We need to stop letting players run down deals, if someone is leaving then move them on in the January when they have 6 months left.

 

[Crispy Bacon]

Dropping points really does bring out the roasters in here.

 

[Wordy_Rappinghood]

Never been a member of a Whatsapp group. Thought it was something women used to talk about Vanderpump Rules.

 

[KJ_Rozental]

Seen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.

Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.

What have others seen or heard?

I'd imagine it's natural frustration when we're not playing well.

But it comes down to recruitment again, our squad is way too big with a poor mixture of youth to supposed seasoned pros, almost impossible to keep everyone happy because no wonder Raskin isn't happy seeing how the midfield is performing, but unfortunately he's been just as pish.

 

[Badger]

Player not happy at getting subbed and another not happy about being left on the bench is not evidence of a dressing room split. Happens to every team in every game ffs

The group of players aren't good enough, there doesn't have to be some big thing to explain away why a group of players who consistently fail in the business end of the season are failing at this stage this season. The players are mentally weak or just don't care enough, either way we need to a major rebuild... again

 

[GodStruth]

They just aren't good enough and dont have the minerals required

If they are unhappy then it's with themselves

 

[sh3lldon]

where have u seen and heard these comments? same old pish everytime these comments

 

[Johnny Yen]

I had a thread last night that was binned, just letting off a bit of steam, but I genuinely think there must be something else at play, behind the scenes.

We can't go from the well oiled machine, the Kill Zone that the players spoke about, winning a cup, top of the league etc and flying, to losing games and dropping points to the jobber dross.

Something is definitely amiss.

 

[ao2]

I'd be worried if a player was happy to be subbed (Barisic) but there's something badly wrong at the heart of our playing staff and it's been like this for years.

I don't know if they've fallen out amongst each other or with the manager (I can't see it myself) but it's obvious they cannot deal with the pressure of the business end of the season, and that's a mentality thing.

 

[Albertz82]

where have u seen and heard these comments? same old pish everytime these comments

It was mentioned by Jonny on the Rangers Review and seen comments on Twitter.

 

[DerHammer88]

Silva and Cantwell weren't happy at being subbed in the last two games.

IMO Clement does treat Cantwell differently to everyone else which doesn't sit right, but apart from that I'd back the manager over any player.

 

[sh3lldon]

I had a thread last night that was binned, just letting off a bit of steam, but I genuinely think there must be something else at play, behind the scenes.

We can't go from the well oiled machine, the Kill Zone that the players spoke about, winning a cup, top of the league etc and flying, to losing games and dropping points to the jobber dross.

Something is definitely amiss.

aye their collective mentality its pretty clear yet folk looking for something else

 

[BoyInRoyalBlue]

Even if true, when it gets to a 3rd manager they do it to, the manager is not the problem.

Gio was thrown under a bus from them, Beale was a charlatan but that is still no excuse to throw in games like they did at times, and Clement has had them winning, if the demands from Gio and Clement is too much for them, it is on them and reflects on them and not the management this time,

 

[Davie_Mitchell]

The times are changing - led by the manager. Those in his plans will be happier than those not. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out that there will be a “split” in the dressing room. More power to Big Phil’s axe.

 

[Albertz82]

Player not happy at getting subbed and another not happy about being left on the bench is not evidence of a dressing room split. Happens to every team in every game ffs

Agreed and think that's a good thing to see.

 

[gu_bear]

I think it seems very similar to what has been happening at Man Utd over the years.

Agreed.

And even when you add new players, they get dragged down by the culture whereby losing is acceptable and someone else will carry the can.

 

[brain]

There’s a group stinking the place out and have seen off multiple managers.

Need to stop peddling this myth on every thread! There is absolutely zero evidence of this, and those players would be the very last suspects for causing rifts in the dressing room!

 

[Barry Slimfit]

I don't buy this idea that the same players have got managers the sack - there are loads of new players in that team.

The common denominator isn't the actual players themselves (because there has been a turnover of players albeit with some constants). In my opinion - it's the type of players we sign. Losers. Projects. Rehab jobs. Injured. Injury-prone. Championship strugglers who should be crawling over broken glass to play for a club like Rangers.

They just aren't good enough either physically, mentally or in terms of footballing ability.

 

[GreenockRanger]

Even if there was falling out, these fairies wouldn't even have it out, probably just sitting not speaking to each other with there earphones in. Bunch of absolute cowards the lot of them, probably never had a crossword with each, sick of them.

 

[148bear]

There's a common denominator here and it's certainly not the manager.

The 3 stoogies.

 

[Johnny Yen]

aye their collective mentality its pretty clear yet folk looking for something else

Was anyone questioning their mentality when they went to Betis and won, or when we won a trophy or when we stormed to top of the league?

 

[FamousRFC]

Seen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.

Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.

What have others seen or heard?

Found it strange last night stewart out in technical area in managers ear only time that’s happened since clement came in yet when Beale was here it was constantly happening , your assistant and coach sitting there but goalie coach out

 

[WalterSandy]

Nothing to do with the subs but you can see by the effort or lack off something is far wrong not 1 of them bust a gut to track back or gee the team up it's just so flat especially at this end of the season so much to play for but imo there's a good few chucked it for whatever reason... Personally I think something is going on being closed doors this is not the same team as a month ago..

 

[Coza]

I think it looks like a pretty unified dressing room to me.

Unified from the perspective that when the going gets tough, they all shirk responsibility and they are happy to ride it out until eventually the manager carries the can.

They then pick up under a new manager for a bit before rinsing and repeating.

They’ve done it under 3 managers now and 4 if you include some of them that very nearly got Gerrard sacked pre Covid.

It’s a really comfortable dressing room safe in the knowledge that someone else will get blamed for their shortcomings.

Nailed it.

The body language experts would have a field day with our lot in the tunnel pre game recently.

 

[BlueSpruce]

I had a thread last night that was binned, just letting off a bit of steam, but I genuinely think there must be something else at play, behind the scenes.

We can't go from the well oiled machine, the Kill Zone that the players spoke about, winning a cup, top of the league etc and flying, to losing games and dropping points to the jobber dross.

Something is definitely amiss.

Seen that thread. Surely Clement smart enough to have kept the dressing room together.

 

[Supermac1872]

It must be frustrating for the guys who always seem to get subbed.

Whereas there’s players consistently underperforming who’ll play 90+ mins regardless.

Phil and Nils need to rip it up and start again in the summer.

 

[GimmeShelter]

I don't buy this idea that the same players have got managers the sack - there are loads of new players in that team.

The common denominator isn't the actual players themselves (because there has been a turnover of players albeit with some constants). In my opinion - it's the type of players we sign. Losers. Projects. Rehab jobs. Injured. Injury-prone. Championship strugglers who should be crawling over broken glass to play for a club like Rangers.

They just aren't good enough either physically, mentally or in terms of footballing ability.

The papes managed to sign almost an entire team that had won nothing before and won 5/6 trophies.

We have a core group of senior leadership players that are stinking the place out.

 

[Shepchenko83]

I think we have heard this several times over the past few years regarding this squad....i wonder what the common denominator is......this fecking squad!!!

 

[Kirbys House]

I had a thread last night that was binned, just letting off a bit of steam, but I genuinely think there must be something else at play, behind the scenes.

We can't go from the well oiled machine, the Kill Zone that the players spoke about, winning a cup, top of the league etc and flying, to losing games and dropping points to the jobber dross.

Something is definitely amiss.

Tbf some maddie in that thread (not you!) thought Clement had a black eye, insinuating it was courtesy of someone in the dressing room.