SecondBestIsNothing
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"I've only had 1 or 2 away games all season"
So have the rest of us. There's no system that fixes this.
So have the rest of us. There's no system that fixes this.
Wouldn’t rule out this game yetOver 2000 points and only 3 all season none of which were cat a, surely must be a decent chance of getting the crime scene first game next season?
Only a third or less eligible apply at the moment so over 5 years they will have a big advantage. I'm surprised more haven't cottoned on yet. Even one application gets 5 points and the chances of getting allocated are slim if you apply for a low allocation. Better to have no points for it.I know guys who aren’t interested in aways that apply because if they don’t they’ll lose out on 15 points, whilst others below them will eventually get ahead.
Those tickets get sold on whenever they’re successful but I don’t think they’d bother applying if it wasn’t for being left behind with points. It makes zero sense considering everyone gets the same amount of points. Totally redundant process
Yeah that’s true. Just don’t think points should be given, particularly when it’s just a standard amountOnly a third or less eligible apply at the moment so over 5 years they will have a big advantage. I'm surprised more haven't cottoned on yet. Even one application gets 5 points and the chances of getting allocated are slim if you apply for a low allocation. Better to have no points for it.
You could get this Hearts game.Over 2000 points and only 3 all season none of which were cat a, surely must be a decent chance of getting the crime scene first game next season?
15 loyalty points , they actually lock most of their none season ticket holders out the points are that highWhat is Tyncastle like for getting home end tickets, if it’s comes to a last day decider.
Do you have to be on their membership scheme for Rangers games?
Hahaha, bronze has 0 chance of hampden anyway, and half of silver will find similar in a couple of weeks too!Plenty other ways to make money is that's their issue. Bronze and silver threatening that, a large % are all talk, they know they'd have zero chance of Hampden games.
Make aways a separate scheme and charge £40 for it if they're that worried about losing money.
For those lower down perhaps. For those in gold and at the top of gold, the reason is how the club distribute the tickets. They don't reward loyalty often enough.
4 games is pathetic for fans which a large % will be at almost every game.
My mate missed a purchase (genuine mistake) and then got the next two games on the bounce after his ban!Yeah that’s true. Just don’t think points should be given, particularly when it’s just a standard amount
They’ve introduced the punishment for not buying an offered ticket which was a positive. Removing points would be the next positive step
I do laugh at their inconsistencies with points in general right enough. You get points for a 50/50 hampden semi final so long as it’s not against Celtic, but you don’t get any for a final. Their reason is that finals are oversubscribed. European aways are oversubscribed yet they give points for those. Make it up as they go along
But it’s not exactly a fair equivalent to compare it to the old cccs when mygers is a completely new scheme and when it was first introduced golds were on 7/8 tickets.Pandering seems an extreme word to use towards a group who get a maximum of what, one or two games?
Four games also isn't far off what you'd have got under the old system when your allocation was emailed at the start of the season. Fifteen years later and there are more season ticket holders and reduced allocations at away games. Four games is about right, and I'm speaking as someone who must have close to maximum points.
But it’s not exactly a fair equivalent to compare it to the old cccs when mygers is a completely new scheme and when it was first introduced golds were on 7/8 tickets.
2 years later, gold membership numbers have increased, the % of a mygers allocation going to gold has reduced, and now there’s gold members on 3/4 tickets. Thats despite some of them having over 1000 more points than some bronze who got hearts, Aberdeen and Hibs.
Rangers changed the goalposts of how they wanted it to work. The gold membership numbers have not increased in-line with the overall growth of the mygers numbers. Approx 64% increase in gold in 3 years compared to approx 39% for mygers in the same period
The goalposts were moved after 3 months of over-rewarding the first cohort of gold members. The club believed they front-loaded the tickets and it was fair that they increased the number in the gold tier in October, January and again in April during the 21/22 season. There was known issues with ballots during the points update process and then after the split, tickets for Tynecastle and Parkhead seemed to go to those who got promoted due to rangers increasing the membership numbersAnd that number has decreased because more members joined after the season in which we reached both the EL and Scottish Cup final. It's simple supply and demand.
There was no indication that the number of away games a gold member would get would remain the same over time. No goalposts were ever moved.
The goalposts were moved after 3 months of over-rewarding the first cohort of gold members. The club believed they front-loaded the tickets and it was fair that they increased the number in the gold tier in October, January and again in April during the 21/22 season. There was known issues with ballots during the points update process and then after the split, tickets for Tynecastle and Parkhead seemed to go to those who got promoted due to rangers increasing the membership numbers
You don’t go from 2200 to 3000 odd in 3 threshold updates without intentionally changing the goalposts. Why has the gold tier not had a similarly representative increase this season? Most recent points update last week had gold increase by 50 odd members, not hundreds each time
You call it teething problems, I call it changing the goalposts. Depends on perspective I suppose however my point regarding an unrepresentative increase is true. Even when the overall mygers numbers fell, the gold tier membership numbers increased. So it was clear for all to see what the club was doing.That's not really "changing the goalposts", though. It was the start of a new system and there were inevitable teething issues.
My point to the previous poster still stands, though - bronze members get one or two tickets a season, and have virtually no chance for a game at Hampden, so the idea of gold being further rewarded at their expense seems excessive.
You call it teething problems, I call it changing the goalposts. Depends on perspective I suppose however my point regarding an unrepresentative increase is true. Even when the overall mygers numbers fell, the gold tier membership numbers increased. So it was clear for all to see what the club was doing.
I’m not even arguing the rights and wrong of it, just pointing out it’s something the club done.
I don’t really see how Hampden can be viewed as a benefit for gold members on 2200+ points when there’s people on 600 less who are also guaranteed? I would personally swap a guaranteed hampden ticket for a handful more away tickets if it was an option
That’s what they did do though, they changed it from their aim of rewarding loyalty and have slowly moved towards levelling it up to make it fairer. In a way I can see why the move has its positives, I’m not for one minute saying that gold should’ve been made smaller instead and all tickets should be given to them. I’m merely pointing out the facts of what happened and explaining my theory of why the club done so. Basically I believe they’ve taken tickets off of gold to distribute to other tiers to make more members happier.Changing the goalposts means doing something to give a group an unfair or unwarranted advantage, so it's not really an appropriate phrase to use in this example. What exactly was the club's ulterior aim?
Hampden is virtually irrelevant here when talking about gold members. The previous poster indicated that the club should stop "pandering" to bronze members. These are members who 1. Can expect to receive 1 away game in a season and 2. Don't get tickets for games at Hampden with a 50/50 split. No alternative has been supplied.
That’s what they did do though, they changed it from their aim of rewarding loyalty and have slowly moved towards levelling it up to make it fairer. In a way I can see why the move has its positives, I’m not for one minute saying that gold should’ve been made smaller instead and all tickets should be given to them. I’m merely pointing out the facts of what happened and explaining my theory of why the club done so. Basically I believe they’ve taken tickets off of gold to distribute to other tiers to make more members happier.
Yes I agree with your second paragraph, wouldn’t have used that terminology in relation to hampden. I’m in the gold tier and imagine I’ll be somewhere in the middle but I’d majorly question the worth of being a member if I was in bronze. But what else can the club do? People in bronze don’t have a full 5 year purchase history, just need to bide their time
Know of someone similar who followed up their ban with Dumbarton and St.Mirren ticketsMy mate missed a purchase (genuine mistake) and then got the next two games on the bounce after his ban!
Yes that’s what I was meaning. Instead of a gold member getting 7 tickets, they’d now get 4 and those 3 they would’ve got before the change now get given to 3 other members. Therefore the club kept 3 extra people happy. Simplistic way of looking at it but that’s essentially what they doneI think it was simply a case of having to accommodate more fans. If the previous allocation of away tickets to gold members continued, some bronze wouldn't get tickets at all. Partly this will have been to appease those groups and partly because they didn't understand how the system works until it was operational.
Correct, they do need to bide their time. But I don't think someone can sign up to MyGers and get nothing.
So double punishment then.Know of someone similar who followed up their ban with Dumbarton and St.Mirren tickets
This is true. I am gold and if the Ross County first come first served buy online is taken out of the equation I got 4 tickets from the first 6 away games that mygers ballots were performed.The goalposts were moved after 3 months of over-rewarding the first cohort of gold members. The club believed they front-loaded the tickets and it was fair that they increased the number in the gold tier in October, January and again in April during the 21/22 season. There was known issues with ballots during the points update process and then after the split, tickets for Tynecastle and Parkhead seemed to go to those who got promoted due to rangers increasing the membership numbers
You don’t go from 2200 to 3000 odd in 3 threshold updates without intentionally changing the goalposts. Why has the gold tier not had a similarly representative increase this season? Most recent points update last week had gold increase by 50 odd members, not hundreds each time
Same on 4 got 5 last year as wellGold finishing on 4 by the looks of it. Only got 5 aways last season as well.
Forgot about Ross County actually. The club were adamant they would never do rotational ballots again and were dead set on having it first come, first served for every away game. This was despite numerous outspoken people telling them it wouldn’t work and the reasons why it wouldn’t work. The club weren’t interested in listeningThis is true. I am gold and if the Ross County first come first served buy online is taken out of the equation I got 4 tickets from the first 6 away games that mygers ballots were performed.
Looking ahead it is going to be very difficult for Rangers to please everyone regarding away tickets through mygers. With Livi likely to be relegated and Hibs and possibly others cutting ticket allocations I can see Gold only getting 3 away tickets next season. I have a suspicion that the RSC percentage will be cut again to provide more tickets to mygers and corporate
I've had 5 in gold son has had 4 this seasonSame on 4 got 5 last year as well
Still hope for Hearts thenI've had 5 in gold son has had 4 this season
Usually about 8,000 in silver apply for away games?My dad’s only on 1 in silver and hasn’t had a category A yet. Praying he gets this as he can’t go.
Was only 1 Livi trip this season.Going to be even worse next season with Livi going down
About another 14k off the total plus whatever hibs take away from us
Could be doing with Ross County getting relegated and Partick getting promotedGoing to be even worse next season with Livi going down
About another 14k off the total plus whatever hibs take away from us
I had this discussion in a group chat."I've only had 1 or 2 away games all season"
So have the rest of us. There's no system that fixes this.
It will all become so tight points wise in a few years tiers will be meaningless, as you say hampden and Europe will be top downA couple of seasons time we won't be far away from an open random draw for domestic aways with no tier involvement, and only euro aways and Hampden games being issued the Mygers were intended.
The combination of the club not wanting to lose money from customers and those near the bottom refusing to wait and earn their way up the ladder will lead us there.
My memory is a bit foggy but is that not how it used to be anyway?A couple of seasons time we won't be far away from an open random draw for domestic aways with no tier involvement, and only euro aways and Hampden games being issued the Mygers were intended.
The combination of the club not wanting to lose money from customers and those near the bottom refusing to wait and earn their way up the ladder will lead us there.
So there wasWas only 1 Livi trip this season.
You'll have Utd back so that's over 4k plus the Celtic allocation now.
Domestic aways are still a tiered ballot. My suggestion is it could go back to being an open ballot in a few seasons, regardless of tier. With only hampden and euro aways using the mygers structure.My memory is a bit foggy but is that not how it used to be anyway?
Apply for away games at the start of the season, get given some. CCCS and priority for Hampden through you ST if you ticked the right boxes and then the travel club for Euro aways?
There is no ideal way of doing it tbh. It all comes down to self interest. Folk in Gold will say they deserve more tickets than the 4 or 5 they get. Folk in Silver and Bronze will say they need more to get extra points to climb the ladder etc
Well folk in silver and bronze would be wrong as they get the same points as gold for away tickets as long as they buy the tiers average .My memory is a bit foggy but is that not how it used to be anyway?
Apply for away games at the start of the season, get given some. CCCS and priority for Hampden through you ST if you ticked the right boxes and then the travel club for Euro aways?
There is no ideal way of doing it tbh. It all comes down to self interest. Folk in Gold will say they deserve more tickets than the 4 or 5 they get. Folk in Silver and Bronze will say they need more to get extra points to climb the ladder etc
While there's some on gold with 5 this year and 7 last year. Meaning some in gold have been given 12 over the past two year compared to others (like me) on 9 the past two years. Ridiculous.Same on 4 got 5 last year as well
Did not know that, thanks for the info.Well folk in silver and bronze would be wrong as they get the same points as gold for away tickets as long as they buy the tiers average .
Going to be even worse next season with Livi going down
About another 14k off the total plus whatever hibs take away from us
Hibs offset by the mentally challengeds.
I think we’ll definitely be at Tannadice twice next season with way fixtures work, @rangeral will confirm though. We’ll have Aberdeen, Celtic, Hearts and Hibs all away in the first round of fixtures
Likely only 1 trip to St Johnstone next station though.
Provided Livingston finish bottom which likely to happen then yes 2 trips to Dundee UnitedHibs offset by the mentally challengeds.
I think we’ll definitely be at Tannadice twice next season with way fixtures work, @rangeral will confirm though. We’ll have Aberdeen, Celtic, Hearts and Hibs all away in the first round of fixtures
Likely only 1 trip to St Johnstone next station though.