I said sinilar a few weeks ago. Their team has a hunger to get back from injury that we don't. Another area they are better than us right now.Correct
Our poor tun of form coincided with Cortes getting injured at Kilmarnock and Sima not being available since January
No decent width hampered us and made us have to go more through the middle
A team changing almost by the day due to injuries being picked up
Just listened to Roy Keane on sky talking about players being injured for longer than they probably should at Man Utd. If a team is doing well its funny how two week two or three game injuries are exactly that but when things aren’t going well they seem to last double the time
Its a mentality thing
Sure, give them credit. But also recognise the difference between their situation and ours, as has been mentioned already.
I can’t . He has been fit for two weeks.Prove it.
Still not sure why it was assumed I want him as manager.
I can’t . He has been fit for two weeks.
Kilmarnock have beat them twice this season. Hearts have beat them home and away without conceding. Clement has had injuries to contend with and yes, the players he inherited need improved upon, but if you look at the three games he's had against them, he had plenty of match fit players available to choose from to setup a starting team stronger than the Hearts and Killie starting XIs that had success. Anyone saying otherwise is sticking to the narrative that Beale left after seven games and left Clement with a Sunday league squad incapable of beating Celtic. One poster said, "walking football team". Rubbish.
Clement can be forgiven for setting us up wrong in the December 2-1 game as it was his first, but the next two is unforgivable. With the same squad Beale left him with, we performed well in Europe and won a cup. I know all fans are just armchair managers (me included), but it was obvious we keep losing the game in midfield against them. 'Injuries and a team that's not his' is a rotten excuse (tho refereeing calls isn't).
Clement has had 40 odd games in charge of the squad in all competitions. No new manager should get a pass from criticism and blame for not winning a single old firm because they haven't had a summer transfer window and the chance to replace a full team with his own. Do you think he interviewed saying, "don't judge me on the rubbish squad that's here, I'll need my own players, especially to beat Celtic"? (Fine, you're hired).
Someone started a thread asking if the SC Final should be a "free hit"? Crazy. He shouldn't be replaced if he loses the final, but he should be tore into if he sets us up wrong again and we lose. Celtic aren't Barcelona. Their starting XI is marginally better at full strength compared to ours currently with injuries... but other teams found a way to beat that same Celtic team with players no better than our weakest lineup. Beale had three defeats in seven before he left, so yeah, Clement started with a disadvantage, but they've dropped points too and were always going to. He must win the Scottish cup. Three defeats is indefensible.
It has been mostly our impact in form players that got injured and held us back imo!I think Cortes looked OK before injury but given he missed out the Euro squad and Clement has played Silva in every big game so far I think it would have been Silva-Dessers-Sima. He would have been a good option but probably not starting.
In general we seem to hype up injured players, Roofe was the best finisher and striker at the club a few months ago when out but now he is back can't get any game time. Going back a few years people thought Jordan Rossiter if he could get fit would run the midfield.
Correct, I can’t prove it but I am sure I am right.So you can't prove it.
He came off at half time the other day.
Disagree there, mate. Sima has proved he is a top player in this league. Rapid, powerful, works his socks off and can score.Courts was a big loss as he was coming in to game. Danilo was being bored as the worst Brazilian footballer ever, then scored a couple and he was a hero. Sima blows hot and cold. I'm not suggesting they're not better than what we have but it's all still too be proven imo
Correct, I can’t prove it but I am sure I am right.
Oh look, another ill thought out negative thread that is all over the place.Kilmarnock have beat them twice this season. Hearts have beat them home and away without conceding. Clement has had injuries to contend with and yes, the players he inherited need improved upon, but if you look at the three games he's had against them, he had plenty of match fit players available to choose from to setup a starting team stronger than the Hearts and Killie starting XIs that had success. Anyone saying otherwise is sticking to the narrative that Beale left after seven games and left Clement with a Sunday league squad incapable of beating Celtic. One poster said, "walking football team". Rubbish.
Clement can be forgiven for setting us up wrong in the December 2-1 game as it was his first, but the next two is unforgivable. With the same squad Beale left him with, we performed well in Europe and won a cup. I know all fans are just armchair managers (me included), but it was obvious we keep losing the game in midfield against them. 'Injuries and a team that's not his' is a rotten excuse (tho refereeing calls isn't).
Clement has had 40 odd games in charge of the squad in all competitions. No new manager should get a pass from criticism and blame for not winning a single old firm because they haven't had a summer transfer window and the chance to replace a full team with his own. Do you think he interviewed saying, "don't judge me on the rubbish squad that's here, I'll need my own players, especially to beat Celtic"? (Fine, you're hired).
Someone started a thread asking if the SC Final should be a "free hit"? Crazy. He shouldn't be replaced if he loses the final, but he should be tore into if he sets us up wrong again and we lose. Celtic aren't Barcelona. Their starting XI is marginally better at full strength compared to ours currently with injuries... but other teams found a way to beat that same Celtic team with players no better than our weakest lineup. Beale had three defeats in seven before he left, so yeah, Clement started with a disadvantage, but they've dropped points too and were always going to. He must win the Scottish cup. Three defeats is indefensible.
I am just about to go to the kitchen for a biscuit and am expecting you to be next to the tin telling me I can’t have oneYou've been backing the wee cheating rat Collum so quite obviously you're wrong!
I am just about to go to the kitchen for a biscuit and am expecting you to be next to the tin telling me I can’t have one
It’s ironic that your avatar is a player who was a revelation in his first 6 months and then got injured. I bet you think we’d have benefited from having a fit Marco Negri for the duration of his contract.Kilmarnock have beat them twice this season. Hearts have beat them home and away without conceding. Clement has had injuries to contend with and yes, the players he inherited need improved upon, but if you look at the three games he's had against them, he had plenty of match fit players available to choose from to setup a starting team stronger than the Hearts and Killie starting XIs that had success. Anyone saying otherwise is sticking to the narrative that Beale left after seven games and left Clement with a Sunday league squad incapable of beating Celtic. One poster said, "walking football team". Rubbish.
Clement can be forgiven for setting us up wrong in the December 2-1 game as it was his first, but the next two is unforgivable. With the same squad Beale left him with, we performed well in Europe and won a cup. I know all fans are just armchair managers (me included), but it was obvious we keep losing the game in midfield against them. 'Injuries and a team that's not his' is a rotten excuse (tho refereeing calls isn't).
Clement has had 40 odd games in charge of the squad in all competitions. No new manager should get a pass from criticism and blame for not winning a single old firm because they haven't had a summer transfer window and the chance to replace a full team with his own. Do you think he interviewed saying, "don't judge me on the rubbish squad that's here, I'll need my own players, especially to beat Celtic"? (Fine, you're hired).
Someone started a thread asking if the SC Final should be a "free hit"? Crazy. He shouldn't be replaced if he loses the final, but he should be tore into if he sets us up wrong again and we lose. Celtic aren't Barcelona. Their starting XI is marginally better at full strength compared to ours currently with injuries... but other teams found a way to beat that same Celtic team with players no better than our weakest lineup. Beale had three defeats in seven before he left, so yeah, Clement started with a disadvantage, but they've dropped points too and were always going to. He must win the Scottish cup. Three defeats is indefensible.
Having 8/9 players unavailable every week can’t make us competitive over a season. Our 1st choice front 3 of Cortes Danilo and Sima have been out since Christmas basically - how would they have got on without they re front 3 for 5 months!
Some of the threads started by so many folk after the final whistle yesterday have been bat shit mental in their desire to be negative.It’s ironic that your avatar is a player who was a revelation in his first 6 months and then got injured. I bet you think we’d have benefited from having a fit Marco Negri for the duration of his contract.
Of course we have been damaged by losing key players. It’s absolutely crazy to say otherwise.
i agree completelyOur wage bill is bigger than there's.
They sell players who are going OOC in 18 months. We don't.
Yup. Celtic understand that these games are about fight, running and desire first, and talent takes over after that. Since 2016 we've only had one manager who understood that. My hope that Clement was the 2nd one took a bit of a dent yesterday.Celtic don't play the same way or treat the games against Kilmarnock or Hearts the same as an Old Firm so the comparison doesn't work.
Our game is a derby filled with hatred and the other games are run of the mill games.
Cortez and ryan jack start alsoWe are a club when the longer you are out injured the better a player you become in eyes of the fans. Out of the injured players it’s likely only Sima and Goldson would have started had everyone been available.
Dessers has scored 20 and has more goals than Shankland. Our striker is not the problem - having to score 3 goals because we’ve conceded 2 is.Hearts and Kilmarnock have taken points off them
But both Hearts and Kilmarnock have strikers up front who score goals- that is the difference
Ok.Celtic don't play the same way or treat the games against Kilmarnock or Hearts the same as an Old Firm so the comparison doesn't work.
Our game is a derby filled with hatred and the other games are run of the mill games.
Difficult to compare old firm games with their games against the rest of the league. The intensity etc is pumped up on both sides and they have the edge in terms of quality due to our recruitment over many transfer windows.Kilmarnock have beat them twice this season. Hearts have beat them home and away without conceding. Clement has had injuries to contend with and yes, the players he inherited need improved upon, but if you look at the three games he's had against them, he had plenty of match fit players available to choose from to setup a starting team stronger than the Hearts and Killie starting XIs that had success. Anyone saying otherwise is sticking to the narrative that Beale left after seven games and left Clement with a Sunday league squad incapable of beating Celtic. One poster said, "walking football team". Rubbish.
Clement can be forgiven for setting us up wrong in the December 2-1 game as it was his first, but the next two is unforgivable. With the same squad Beale left him with, we performed well in Europe and won a cup. I know all fans are just armchair managers (me included), but it was obvious we keep losing the game in midfield against them. 'Injuries and a team that's not his' is a rotten excuse (tho refereeing calls isn't).
Clement has had 40 odd games in charge of the squad in all competitions. No new manager should get a pass from criticism and blame for not winning a single old firm because they haven't had a summer transfer window and the chance to replace a full team with his own. Do you think he interviewed saying, "don't judge me on the rubbish squad that's here, I'll need my own players, especially to beat Celtic"? (Fine, you're hired).
Someone started a thread asking if the SC Final should be a "free hit"? Crazy. He shouldn't be replaced if he loses the final, but he should be tore into if he sets us up wrong again and we lose. Celtic aren't Barcelona. Their starting XI is marginally better at full strength compared to ours currently with injuries... but other teams found a way to beat that same Celtic team with players no better than our weakest lineup. Beale had three defeats in seven before he left, so yeah, Clement started with a disadvantage, but they've dropped points too and were always going to. He must win the Scottish cup. Three defeats is indefensible.
Agree.Ok.
So if that is the case, you don't bring a knife, to a gun fight.
How many available wingers and strikers in that 30?… Danilo started raw but he had movement and pace, we ll never know now how it could have wentDanilo done nothing to suggest he would be first choice. In the league he had a conversion rate of 11% and a goal every 133 minutes. Dessers is 16% and every 142minutes.
Cortes has started 3 matches for us.
We have a first team squad of over thirty players.
There's always injuries. Rangers have managed to win without a good lash of good players since our formation. If we can't cope with injuries to some players we'll never win.We had 7 players unavailable yesterday through injury , Goldson, Danilo, Cortez, Jack, Matondo, Sima and Balogun.
That's not an excuse that's a fact.
There's always injuries. Rangers have managed to win without a good lash of good players since our formation. If we can't cope with injuries to some players we'll never win.
Exactly. Danilo was fairly frustrating before his injury too.
Agreed. Some fans are talking about Cortez like he's prime Arjen Robben. The guy barely played before tearing his hamstring. Danilo didn't look any great shakes either.We are a club when the longer you are out injured the better a player you become in eyes of the fans. Out of the injured players its likely only Sima and Goldson would have started had everyone been available.
Which fans? Or did you just make that up and hoped it would become fact.Agreed. Some fans are talking about Cortez like he's prime Arjen Robben. The guy barely played before tearing his hamstring. Danilo didn't look any great shakes either.
When Danilo become super allyAre you seriously suggesting that would not be in a better position with all players fit and firing?
Cortes
Danilo
Sima
Take that front line for example.
Add to that if Yilmaz is fully fit then Sterling can play in midfield.
His finishing was a wee bit erratic but his energy and off the ball movement was sensational and we’ve really missed that.Exactly. Danilo was fairly frustrating before his injury too.
Totally agree.
Every club has injury woes.
It’s only ever mentioned as an excuse when a team is playing crap.
I think Cortes looked OK before injury but given he missed out the Euro squad and Clement has played Silva in every big game so far I think it would have been Silva-Dessers-Sima. He would have been a good option but probably not starting.
In general we seem to hype up injured players, Roofe was the best finisher and striker at the club a few months ago when out but now he is back can't get any game time. Going back a few years people thought Jordan Rossiter if he could get fit would run the midfield.
Don’t disagree on a one game head to head basis but on the broader point that injuries have been a major contributor to our title loss, that excuse doesn’t wash.And when that lot had theirs, they lost points to various teams.
They have a fully fit squad right now. It's no coincidence their results and form picked up.
Injuries were mentioned plenty when we were playing well too. It's not out of line to at least acknowledge that when two teams are decently well matched, or even arguably that lot being a little stronger on paper, that the side with zero injuries has a bigger chance than the one with nine injuries.
Kilmarnock have beat them twice this season. Hearts have beat them home and away without conceding. Clement has had injuries to contend with and yes, the players he inherited need improved upon, but if you look at the three games he's had against them, he had plenty of match fit players available to choose from to setup a starting team stronger than the Hearts and Killie starting XIs that had success. Anyone saying otherwise is sticking to the narrative that Beale left after seven games and left Clement with a Sunday league squad incapable of beating Celtic. One poster said, "walking football team". Rubbish.
Clement can be forgiven for setting us up wrong in the December 2-1 game as it was his first, but the next two is unforgivable. With the same squad Beale left him with, we performed well in Europe and won a cup. I know all fans are just armchair managers (me included), but it was obvious we keep losing the game in midfield against them. 'Injuries and a team that's not his' is a rotten excuse (tho refereeing calls isn't).
Clement has had 40 odd games in charge of the squad in all competitions. No new manager should get a pass from criticism and blame for not winning a single old firm because they haven't had a summer transfer window and the chance to replace a full team with his own. Do you think he interviewed saying, "don't judge me on the rubbish squad that's here, I'll need my own players, especially to beat Celtic"? (Fine, you're hired).
Someone started a thread asking if the SC Final should be a "free hit"? Crazy. He shouldn't be replaced if he loses the final, but he should be tore into if he sets us up wrong again and we lose. Celtic aren't Barcelona. Their starting XI is marginally better at full strength compared to ours currently with injuries... but other teams found a way to beat that same Celtic team with players no better than our weakest lineup. Beale had three defeats in seven before he left, so yeah, Clement started with a disadvantage, but they've dropped points too and were always going to. He must win the Scottish cup. Three defeats is indefensible.
Don’t disagree on a one game head to head basis but on the broader point that injuries have been a major contributor to our title loss, that excuse doesn’t wash.
Every team contends with injuries, including them. Spurs, Chelsea and Man United fans in particular have done nothing but bring up injuries for their poor seasons all year - it’s not the root of any of these clubs issues.