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The most loyal support in football don't you know?Isn't this supposed to be a Rangers supporters board? And someone is being criticised for (checks notes) supporting the team?
The most loyal support in football don't you know?Isn't this supposed to be a Rangers supporters board? And someone is being criticised for (checks notes) supporting the team?
People hate reading the truth regarding our team/squad.Let's all go against the ex rangers player before reading the point he's making. Usual. He's correct
Someone will be along to tell you how much money they've spent, and been rewarded with failure due to lack of trophies, but they aren't glory hunters or entitled. It's just "standards".The most loyal support in football don't you know?
Whilst they ignore the massive financial advantage Celtic have had over us in Tavernier’s whole time here.I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Greig winning 3 domestic trophies in a decade can't be compared to Tav winning 3 domestic trophies* (cause we don't count the championship or petrofac as trophies we have won) in 9 years. The argument so far seems to be "that's just ridiculous" and "Celtic were dead good".
"We can't use 2012 as an excuse".Whilst they ignore the massive financial advantage Celtic have had over us in Tavernier’s whole time here.
The lack of a real focus on modern scouting and analysis over this period is the big thing for me. As recently as last summer we were throwing huge money at players on the advice of our manager."We can't use 2012 as an excuse".
It's not an excuse, it's a statement of fact.
The worrying thing for me is that so many on here haven't learned anything from those events and just want to keep throwing money at things til we win again.
We fucked it on the way back - the focus should have been on youth development, but instead we filled our team with the likes of Black, Kyle, Templeton, Sandaza, Argyriou, that Brazilian, paying a fortune to beat part timers. Oh, and Boyd too, who couldn't score against part time teams.
the people in charge weren't interested in getting us "back"We fucked it on the way back - the focus should have been on youth development, but instead we filled our team with the likes of Black, Kyle, Templeton, Sandaza, Argyriou, that Brazilian, paying a fortune to beat part timers.
I just hope Clement is as ruthless as Boyd is making out because it is a massive clear out that’s required, no ifs buts or maybes and for me Tav goes too. I feel there’s some sort of cult around him amongst our support and though he’s been immense on many occasions for us he’s also been part of a succession of failures and I actually feel and have felt really bad for him quite a few times but everything has to come to an end and I hope this is the final season for him too along with the others who’s time is up. We need a whole new massive shake up done right this time so it can develop in the right way and hopefully get us out of this never ending misery.
I don't disagree, which makes it even more incredible that we're back close to where we belong after only 9 years of having the right people in the boardroom, the first few of which were hamstring by onerous contracts to ensure we still didn't make any money.the people in charge weren't interested in getting us "back"
they were more interested in how they could fill their pockets, only got the club back when King and co stepped in
Who can't be arsed?Yip an ex Rangers player and supporter says what most of FF have been saying and yet he's still wrong. Madness off the scale and a fickle support, we all know this last couple of weeks very few if any can escape criticism.
If a player cannot be arsed and is looking elsewhere no amount of leadership will change that.
When it has really counted in the last couple of matches I'd say Tav (lack of leadership), Goldson, Barasic, Lundstram, Lawrence, Cantwell, and Dessers and Roofe have all given the impression of not caring too much. That's way more than half of the team. Then we have the Silva's, Matondo's and McAuslands that appear to try but have yet to convince they are good enough.Who can't be arsed?
(Possibly Barisic, as he's got his next move agreed, but apart from him?)
Again, the lack of leadership is part of the issue.I think player quality is the issue rather than leadership. It would certainly help to have leaders throughout the squad, but we don't. I don't see the leadership of those two are very relevant to our recent lack of form. Goldson’s decline in ability is more relevant than his leadership. Our tactics and team structure have been very alarming and far more relevant than the leadership of either player.
I hope you're not trying to suggest that we shouldn't feel thoroughly pissed off that having got ourselves into a title winning position we've f*cked it up by taking 1 point from 6 against Ross County and Dundee. If that's "perspective" you know where you can shove it.I don't disagree, which makes it even more incredible that we're back close to where we belong after only 9 years of having the right people in the boardroom, the first few of which were hamstring by onerous contracts to ensure we still didn't make any money.
Perspective is required.
"Player quality" didn't make us lose to Ross County or fail to beat Dundee.I think player quality is the issue rather than leadership. It would certainly help to have leaders throughout the squad, but we don't. I don't see the leadership of those two are very relevant to our recent lack of form. Goldson’s decline in ability is more relevant than his leadership. Our tactics and team structure have been very alarming and far more relevant than the leadership of either player.
You can't be serious? The players get our support week in week out and constantly fail us. 3 trophies in 6 years for some of these guys, that's not acceptable.How so? By not winning they don't deserve our support?
The entitlement is unreal.
It's an association fallacy for me and no more. There is no “same core” and to pin this on 2/3 players is mental. Godson wasn't playing when we blew it last year, Tav wasn’t playing when we blew it in 19/20. Their absence on both occasions was seen a key factor. Not to mention failings of the managers.
Edit - just to be clear, Goldson’s form has clearly dipped alarmingly this season. That's not a very recent thing.
"Player quality" didn't make us lose to Ross County or fail to beat Dundee.
That's the epitome of entitlement.You can't be serious? The players get our support week in week out and constantly fail us. 3 trophies in 6 years for some of these guys, that's not acceptable.
It's not entitlement it's standards, which they are miles off!
So are you happy with the return and how this season is playing out?That's the epitome of entitlement.
The "return" is what it is. It's a lot more than most win, so for a club that was fucked down to the bottom league and tied up by spivs until 8 years ago then that's alright.So are you happy with the return and how this season is playing out?
You seem to forget that team at the time was shit and Boyd should have been put on a fitness campaign, plus he had next to no service. We should not take back any player over the hill.They probably care more than Boyd did in his 2nd spell, they are certainly in better shape.
I prefer to think of it as a winning mentality that is part of the club's ethos. The current batch of players don't get it and it's sad to see supporters erode a winning ethos by referring to it as entitlement.That's the epitome of entitlement.
When people are saying if the team don't win then they don't deserve to be supported, that's entitlement.I prefer to think of it as a winning mentality that is part of the club's ethos. The current batch of players don't get it and it's sad to see supporters erode a winning ethos by referring to it as entitlement.
Did I say that?When people are saying if the team don't win then they don't deserve to be supported, that's entitlement.
I prefer to think of MrsBearenson as still having the same figure she did 20 years ago when we first met, it doesn't change reality.
You didn't say that, but the poster I was replying to said words to that effect.Did I say that?
The fact of the matter is we can return to past glories unlike your Mrs (and mine for that matter).
It's been a long and slow haul since 2012 but when supporters lose that ambition and start describing those that cling to it as 'entitled' we are in deeper trouble than I'd like to believe. If such attitudes become widespread we are accepting that we are on a slippery path towards a new status alongside the also rans of Scottish football. The current players do not have the belief and if they don't who else will.uphold the Rangers ethos. If not the fans?
A saving grace is that the manager seems to understand.
“Winning, becoming champion, is the only thing that counts,” he said. “But I’ve been like that all my life. There is nobody who can be more critical than me because I want to win everything.
Maybe you should take a leaf from his book and rediscover some ambition for your team?
Let's wait and see how much patience the manager has with what I am.sure he realises are serial.losers. As for being realistic, are you telling me it was unrealistic to expect us to beat Ross County and Dundee in the final run in of the league, especially given the multi-millions at stake?You didn't say that, but the poster I was replying to said words to that effect.
I've got plenty of ambition for my team, but that also means being realistic - if you had offered us being in a title race now back in October every single person on here would have bitten your hand off.
The manager also spoke about it being a marathon and that there would be bumps in the road. Well, we've had the bumps and it seems like FF has surrendered and resorted to rounding on our team instead of supporting them - again, like the manager has spoken about having the synergy and the fans with them. Nah, apparently plenty of people who claim to support us don't have the stomach for that and would rather just lash out.
"...Celtc have the resources to spend big." Why is that Kris ? We all know and BJK.https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sp...vie-kris-boyd-five-rangers-stars-embarrassed/
May be reading too much into the first half of the article, but Boyd sound certain about the level of change we may see in the summer.
Stops short of naming names, but sums it up fairly well for a change.
What are you talking about & why does that subject even need broached while talking about summer transfers?!"...Celtc have the resources to spend big." Why is that Kris ? We all know and BJK.
17 out and 17 in isn't going to happen mate.This is a chance to finally get the squad numbers down while slashing the wage bill.
Wonder if they seen it as pointless when they bounced about after FT at the Leipzig game experiencing the happiest moment they've ever had at a football ganeSomeone will be along to tell you how much money they've spent, and been rewarded with failure due to lack of trophies, but they aren't glory hunters or entitled. It's just "standards".
Saw a comment yesterday, someone was asked if they enjoyed our European runs, and replied that they were pointless because we didn't win the trophy.
Got absolutely no idea what that post means"...Celtc have the resources to spend big." Why is that Kris ? We all know and BJK.
Why should the team being poor at the time mean it is ok for Boyd to be an out of shape mess? He has a short memory. Professional football players should not need to be put on a fitness campaign.You seem to forget that team at the time was shit and Boyd should have been put on a fitness campaign, plus he had next to no service. We should not take back any player over the hill.
Completely agree. Completely thrown by some of the stuff on this thread.I prefer to think of it as a winning mentality that is part of the club's ethos. The current batch of players don't get it and it's sad to see supporters erode a winning ethos by referring to it as entitlement.
I never said anything remotely close to that. I said they receive our support week in week out and always find a way to fail us. Never once did I say they don't deserve our support.You didn't say that, but the poster I was replying to said words to that effect.
I've got plenty of ambition for my team, but that also means being realistic - if you had offered us being in a title race now back in October every single person on here would have bitten your hand off.
The manager also spoke about it being a marathon and that there would be bumps in the road. Well, we've had the bumps and it seems like FF has surrendered and resorted to rounding on our team instead of supporting them - again, like the manager has spoken about having the synergy and the fans with them. Nah, apparently plenty of people who claim to support us don't have the stomach for that and would rather just lash out.
Could have sworn you said that in a reply to me. Must have been mistaken as you wouldn't attribute something to the wrong poster just to satisfy your misguided sense of defeatism and lack of ambition would you?You didn't say that, but the poster I was replying to said words to that effect.
I've got plenty of ambition for my team, but that also means being realistic - if you had offered us being in a title race now back in October every single person on here would have bitten your hand off.
The manager also spoke about it being a marathon and that there would be bumps in the road. Well, we've had the bumps and it seems like FF has surrendered and resorted to rounding on our team instead of supporting them - again, like the manager has spoken about having the synergy and the fans with them. Nah, apparently plenty of people who claim to support us don't have the stomach for that and would rather just lash out.
Did you read my thread, as I stated he should have been put on a fitness regimen at that time.Why should the team being poor at the time mean it is ok for Boyd to be an out of shape mess? He has a short memory. Professional football players should not need to be put on a fitness campaign.
Just ignore it then, like Celtc have done for over 40 years, and move on.What are you talking about & why does that subject even need broached while talking about summer transfers?!
Just ignore it then, like Celtc have done for over 40 years, and move on.Got absolutely no idea what that post means
Got absolutely no idea what that post means
The part quoted related to money.What are you talking about & why does that subject even need broached while talking about summer transfers?!
What about it?The part quoted related to money.
Celtic are poised to pay multimillion-pound damages within months after agreeing to settle legal claims over systematic child abuse
Its either been Hugh Birt or fan Gerry McSherry that sent those letters. The names on those letters were some of the vilest beasts at that club ...yet nothing was done. From what I recall, I think Birt's name only came up at Torbett's trial. I do remember Gerry McSherry though. A man of...www.followfollow.com
I'll try to spell it out for you then. It is about money and Boyd's statement;What about it?
I'm still not following why you're bringing the CBC stuff into a thread about the core of our side needing moved on?