The Negative Impact of our supporters .

[TerryMunro]

In an away match we always do well at?

The league is gone. A cup game to look forward too and of course beating them is never a mute moment but that’s it.
It’s time to start looking at why we are in Groundhog Day with manager after manager and season after season facing the same on field problems where our possession gives us not much more than hopeful punts into the box and defending has holes in it that a bottom second tier Scottish club could exploit.

 

[Grumpy Old Git]

The lack of belief the fans have in the players stems from the lack of belief of the players themselves.
Sunday, Killie down to 10 men and a chance to make a dent in the goal difference. Our players showed nothing for the last 20 minutes.Most were happy to see out time.

We apparently had 40 shots and 15 on target against Killie.
Doesn’t sound like a team who showed zilch.
We scored in the last few minutes also.

I can’t say we played fluently but can’t buy we simply saw out time and we played better as the game went on in IMO.

 

[RoxburghGer]

I don't condone abuse of players, but years of accumulated frustration is going to show and with good reason.

 

[GeeSpot]

I get the point you're making, but some on here seem to think that the positivity of the fans some how magically fuels the players, like how Christmas spirit makes Santa's sleigh fly

In fairness, Philippe Clement has said since day 1 and continues to say it. The players need the fans behind them.

It's not positivity that fuels them, it's negativity that kills their confidence.

It's been said before here, there is a vicious circle. Players play poorly, fans get tetchy, which makes the players play worse, fans get angry, etc etc.

The players have proven they're not always the ones that can break the cycle.

 

[Maestro72]

These players are specialists at sucking the life out of the support.

How many poor first halves have we seen from this lot? It’s so demoralising when all the support are looking for is for the team to fly out the blocks and get in about the opposition.

Look at the biggest Old firm game in years, they stunned the crowd into silence after 30 seconds. Then Ross County & Dundee, when we need a reaction with the title on the line, where they give the opposition absolute stick-on chances within the first 5min.

The players bring it on themselves.

Hear effing hear.

Incredible that a narrative is being cultivated where the fans are somehow at fault for our year on year collapses.

We’re paying thousands and still turning up and droves for this pish. We owe them nothing.

 

[Bear84]

Our supporters aren't having as negative an impact on our prospects as our team are.

 

[rossgers]

but can’t buy we simply saw out time

Believe it. We did. I sat watching them going backwards.

 

[Grumpy Old Git]

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I know your point is addressing the bigger picture, as well as antics outside the stadium. However, look at the two OF games at Ibrox and the M'Well game.

Both OF games the atmosphere was incredible before kick off. The 1st game we were all over them at the start and the crowd were as loud as I've heard Ibrox. We were rewarded with Goldson sh*ting the bed and them taking 3 points. 2nd game was similar, only this time it only took 20 odd seconds to let them score. Then after making it 2-2 and the crowd backing the team they let them run up the pitch and make it 3-2.

Then you have the M'Well game. Tav scores the pen and the place is buzzing. Everyone believes Rangers will go on to win it. And yet as soon as we'd equalised we looked worse. Players were misplacing passes. Not tracking runners. Goldson defending was an absolute disaster. And inevitably M'Well scored a 2nd.

I get the point you're making, but some on here seem to think that the positivity of the fans some how magically fuels the players, like how Christmas spirit makes Santa's sleigh fly

Well Clement seems to value our support more than lots of our support.
We’re not the only club that has a dip in form.
Across the city had their’s.
Confidence and form can be fragile and we’ve suffered since the game you mention.
What would a victory at the piggery achieve.?

Unlikely given past form but not outwith the bounds of possibility.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

If you don’t like criticism, you can always go and play for St Mirren for £1,500 a week and be happy with a mid table finish.

I cannot accept any criticism of the fans who have stuck by the same squad of utter failures for so long.

They've probably got a higher win rate than any other Rangers side in the past 50 years and fallen short. I appreciate the stamping of feet over falling short not being good enough, but like Clement says there isn't a magic wand.

Course, easiest way to turn that mood is to win on Saturday. It’s in the players hands.

I'm not sure those that are desperate to clear house will let us winning a treble get in the way of it.

 

[Grumpy Old Git]

Our supporters aren't having as negative an impact on our prospects as our team are.

Chicken n egg maybe.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

The fan in the clip with Borna or if it was Butland is out of order.

If I was having a meal and Fabio Silva or Lundstram or A N Other who is currently pish was in the restaurant, I’d completely ignore him. One, it’s their private space and two I don’t really like many of our players at all.

And that’s the issue here, through mentality issues, quality, injury prone, not standing up, looking for Tav to bail you out, all talk and no action etc etc the vast majority are done with the squad. The only Rangers squad that could win a Treble and you’d be happy to see 75% go away.

The negative impacts have been Beale. The Board allowing Beale blowing a lot of cash. Poor officials. Rangers not calling out poor officials on a regular basis. The players being shite under Beale, the players giving us hope then realising when they could win it that they might not fancy winning it. Putting us in the position we are in, trying to batter teams with big scores but then when 3-1 up, game won v ten men with 20 min to play we aren’t scoring more or looking urgent enough to do so.

The fans moaning, being critical or booing is a sign of the position. Some fans go overboard, the 9 in a row team and Walter’s 3 in a row team took abuse. If you want to shite yourself from in stadium fan abuse then Ibrox is not your place to be. Rightly or wrongly. Stay away from social media. And I say the Club should protect the players on that walk out the Stadium better, of course.

And on Borna, I get he was incensed by something and the fan would’ve been an arse, I only wish he’d shown that aggression v Abada or Jota when they fucked him and us over repeatedly.

Too many years of struggling to make a backbone out of a 25 man squad. Fair play to the fans turning up en masse week in week out.

Your first paragraph goes without saying. The concept of going up to berate any Rangers employee in a restaraunt or any other social setting is abhorent.

Sitting on a PC and talking about their limitations for me is not a problem.

I'd say the way this title has been lost, then almost in our grasp and frittered away again, will leave a more bitter taste than any other since coming back up.

 

[Der_Metzgermeister]

In fairness, Philippe Clement has said since day 1 and continues to say it. The players need the fans behind them.

It's not positivity that fuels them, it's negativity that kills their confidence.

It's been said before here, there is a vicious circle. Players play poorly, fans get tetchy, which makes the players play worse, fans get angry, etc etc.

The players have proven they're not always the ones that can break the cycle.

Then I would say they're not good enough to play for Rangers. As harsh as that sounds, we all know as fans that if players can't handle the pressure of expecting to win every week then they really shouldn't be here.

 

[Bannerman]

The atmosphere started fine on Sunday, as it has started fine in many games, but our continuous habit of conceding the first goal kills it stone dead. We then get back into some games, and when we do, certain players gesture for the crowd to get more involved. If the players got more involved and stopped leaking goals, they might be surprised at the difference it would make to the atmosphere.

 

[daven37]

This season the negative feeling has been as bad as I can remember.



We are in a great position where if we win 4 games can win a treble.



Problem is 2 of them games are against celtic and we can't seem to beat them when it matters.


My feelings is that cos we can't beat them the fans have lost belief and turned on a lot of the players.

Worst game ever was the game against the scum when Josh Windass gave us an early lead at Ibrox.

They equalised and their fans raised the noise levels while we all turned into mice and did nothing to lift the players.

I take a little bit of comfort knowing that if Rangers win the league and the cup over the next few weeks, the timplosion will be of a scale never before witnessed anywhere in football.

The fans having a go at Borna and Butland are fxxking idiots and should be banned from Ibrox.

 

[BlueHaze]

There is big difference between fans showing their frustration and dissatisfaction to fans venting their spleens in outrage,Some start their vitriol at kick off and keep it going till the call of the pub kicks in,You’ve really got to wonder what sort of pleasure they get from a day at football.

 

[FamousRFC]

Now that’s embarrassing. Hanging about after games to give players verbals is way, way beyond anything like a heat of the moment comment during a game.

That’s actual premeditated behavior, a conscious effort to stay behind and wait for a player to give them verbals.

I know then shout I pay your wages fucking unreal

 

[GeeSpot]

Then I would say they're not good enough to play for Rangers. As harsh as that sounds, we all know as fans that if players can't handle the pressure of expecting to win every week then they really shouldn't be here.

Mentality is a big thing and I don't disagree that some of this squad is not good enough, but the support collectively turning on whatever new group of players we have isn't going to help matters.

I know we were always fickle and demanded success as an entire support, but there has to also be some perspective from our side. For all performances have been dire at times and some players perform badly at key moments, we still aren't that far off winning the league and possibly a treble.

Maybe in some way the possibility of being "so near yet so far" is adding to the frustration that is being let out.

PC is going to have to get time to fix the squad though, it was never going to be an overnight job. For that we also have to have patience.

 

[juan guy]

Not living in a fantasy land but personally and I do not seem to be alone think while the possibility of success exists we should back the team.
Is that too much to ask for or do just you prefer to wallow in misery.
It just needs one unlikely thing to happen on Saturday and the tide can turn.
Keep believing said Marvin and I prefer to adopt that mantra rather than resign ourselves to a negative fate.

Whether that happens or not is almost irrelevant as there will be plenty of time to reflect on shortcomings as we see it.
Just now is not the time to capitulate or reflect.
Unfortunately negativity has impacted the squad hopefully not terminally.

Yeah I do agree. Anyone who lived through the 2005 run in should know better than to chuck it now. They are also absolutely pish and their manky fans know it.

But I'd point out there was no negativity before we followed up the Motherwell result with a string of pathetic performances against cannon fodder we beat 99 times out of 100. In response to pressure they became timid and fearful and it was all too familiar. Fact is many fans now hold these players in utter contempt.

Only the players can change this - you can't expect the wider support to turn it on and off like a tap. Until the players show that they believe the fans won't either.

 

[JDC76]

Your first paragraph goes without saying. The concept of going up to berate any Rangers employee in a restarurant or any other social setting is abhorent.

Sitting on a PC and talking about their limitations for me is not a problem.

I'd say the way this title has been lost, then almost in our grasp and frittered away again, will leave a more bitter taste than any other since coming back up.

Yes and for me it's about the same players over and over again letting us done. I had such high hopes last summer for new players coming in. I'm praying they get this transfer window right.

 

[JHDaaron]

it is a factor on the weak minded in our squad

the cauldron that is Ibrox in the league is an intimidating place

 

[Elaine]

Our fan base is no different from any other happy when doing well and vocal when not, as recently as the last old firm fans were shouting abuse as they were heading out the stadium before half time, that’s why they say the weight of the jersey is heavy the players take the praise as well as the criticism.
post like this will highlight something that will never be changed.

 

[IrvineLoyal]

Worst game ever was the game against the scum when Josh Windass gave us an early lead at Ibrox.

They equalised and their fans raised the noise levels while we all turned into mice and did nothing to lift the players.

I take a little bit of comfort knowing that if Rangers win the league and the cup over the next few weeks, the timplosion will be of a scale never before witnessed anywhere in football.

The fans having a go at Borna and Butland are fxxking idiots and should be banned from Ibrox.

I was at that game and altho it was sickening the 5 1 defeat at home under Pedro was the low point for me.



Gerrard really did change things around against them as we were getting regular drubbings off them and sometimes feels like it's slipping back to that so I understand frustration.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

Mentality is a big thing and I don't disagree that some of this squad is not good enough, but the support collectively turning on whatever new group of players we have isn't going to help matters.

I know we were always fickle and demanded success as an entire support, but there has to also be some perspective from our side. For all performances have been dire at times and some players perform badly at key moments, we still aren't that far off winning the league and possibly a treble.

Maybe in some way the possibility of being "so near yet so far" is adding to the frustration that is being let out.

PC is going to have to get time to fix the squad though, it was never going to be an overnight job. For that we also have to have patience.

Patience. We're masters in that.

 

[Canada Bear]

Pionts dropped were down to the team. Having said that our fans are nowhere near the great fans some think they are, if fact I think we are amongst the poorest at times.

 

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

it is a factor on the weak minded in our squad

the cauldron that is Ibrox in the league is an intimidating place

Must have missed this?

 

[JDC76]

Pionts dropped were down to the team. Having said that our fans are nowhere near the great fans some think they are, if fact I think we are amongst the poorest at times.

Have to disagree with you there. 14,000 applying for St Mirren tickets isn't poor. The support this season and over the last 12 years has been fantastic. No other club could go through what we have done and had so many fans stick by the club and pour their money in time after time. I think we have very high expectations as a support and some people can see that manifesting itself negatively. Every Rangers fan wants us to win - all the time. There's a huge frustration amongst the support over the last few months but I also think there is still a lot of anger about how the club has been run the last few seasons and the mismanagement of the squad. I'm hopeful we have turned a corner with Clement.

 

[Russell Nash2]

Maybe if our McLaren driving millionaires could put a shift against Motherwell, Dundee and Ross County the fans might be a bit supportive

Our Club have made millionaires out of bang average perennial losers

The fans have every right to be fqt off

 

[The Blue Lamp]

Don't agree. We have a large fanbase so of course there's going to be some clowns in there, but our fans have been more than supportive of some of these players in my opinion. This sh1te isn't on our fans it's on the players that have let the club and support down time and time again.

Also overall given what's happened to us in the last 10+ years, I'm sure not many clubs fans would have stuck around and got behind the club in the numbers ours have.

Ffs across the city they've had one season when they didn't win f#ck all, and it resulted in them bricking their teams buses, threatening players and members of staff , punching f#ck out of each other and threatening to chuck their season tickets and never return to the stadium again if they don't start winning.

 

[Kentbear]

Pionts dropped were down to the team. Having said that our fans are nowhere near the great fans some think they are, if fact I think we are amongst the poorest at times.

I have no idea where to start with this shite.

 

[JDC76]

Don't agree. We have a large fanbase so of course there's going to be some clowns in there, but our fans have been more than supportive of some of these players in my opinion. This sh1te isn't on our fans it's on the players that have let the club and support down time and time again.

Also overall given what's happened to us in the last 10+ years, I'm sure not many clubs fans would have stuck around and got behind the club in the numbers ours have.

Ffs across the city they've had one season when they didn't win f#ck all, and it resulted in them bricking their teams buses, threatening players and members of staff , punching f#ck out of each other and threatening to chuck their sessions tickets and never return to the stadium again if they don't start winning.

100%

 

[Der_Metzgermeister]

PC is going to have to get time to fix the squad though, it was never going to be an overnight job. For that we also have to have patience.

I think most (if not all) of the support have patience with PC and will give him time to rebuild.

Where patience has ran out for many is with the likes of, and not limited to, Tav, Goldson etc.(I'm not making this thread about them). Whether it's school boy defending. Misplaced passes. Constantly injured. Poor finishing etc. Many players are serial offenders and have cost us games, which costs us points, which costs us the league.

 

[Hurricane Run]

Pionts dropped were down to the team. Having said that our fans are nowhere near the great fans some think they are, if fact I think we are amongst the poorest at times.

Probably the second worst post ive read on here the last 2 days. The first was your post about the "muslim women in hijabs", Rangers were using as security to save money.

By no metric imaginable could your last sentence even be remotely described as true.

 

[CooperBlu11]

Who in their right mind would even consider having a go at Butland?

Off the list of players that let us down and deserve some criticism, Butland doesn’t even make the list.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

Pionts dropped were down to the team. Having said that our fans are nowhere near the great fans some think they are, if fact I think we are amongst the poorest at times.

So after Ross County and Dundee you want Kumbaya?

 

[Derek76]

The team can’t beat Celtic and routinely shit themselves in these games and this is what happens rightly or wrongly. We didn’t win the title for years under Gerrard but we were beating Celtic and making clear progress so you didn’t see this type of thing, whereas now most of this squad have no future at the club.

I’m not saying it’s right at all I’m simply stating the reality of it, you can’t have the good without the bad here. It’s how it works. Failure to win games against them to the extent we have the last few years will start causing trouble. Nobody believes we can win at Parkhead and the players are getting it tight because of it, add that on top of the two performances against Dundee and County meaning that we now have to win there to even have a 40% chance of winning the League.

When was the last time he team shit themselves against Celtic? I keep reading this narrative on here.

 

[TheBridgeLoyal]

When was the last time he team shit themselves against Celtic? I keep reading this narrative on here.

Probably the new year game gone past, when we had the chance to go top and blew it, again.

 

[JDC76]

When was the last time he team shit themselves against Celtic? I keep reading this narrative on here.

First old firm game of this season. Their fans were raging about Rodgers. That was a big opportunity to put a marker down. Failed

 

[Joekerr]

There's ways to show our frustration at the team's poor performances but this ain't it. Pretty embarrassing really.

 

[adidasler]

Problem, we've not made a massive improvement, it's them that's went back the way in allowing us back in.

We were never going to go on an unbeaten run till the end of the season. Actually the balls in their court, they're nothing great, but still better than us. The gap has certainly closed, between us, but we're still not there.

I hope I'm proved wrong, but deep down and by reading some of the posts, I think we'll be reading the same stuff next year, just as we do more or less every year

I have no idea who the new players will be that we bring in but I do know none will be of the class of say, Gary Stevens and David Robertson as our 2 full backs. Same through the whole team tbh.

Never mind them rats winning more trophies, we will end up watching them going for 10 once more. There is no stability at Ibrox and hasn't been since 2012.

You're right. Our financial position is still an issue and the board have made some questionable decisions regarding managers.

Big summer for Clement and Koppen - The team needs a spine, balance and a new identity. To be honest that doesn't need to break the bank, just needs strong heads and vision.

 

[Blu_ultra]

If I was being honest, I don’t think the atmosphere at Ibrox for league games helps. Not just the singing, but the lack of patience and pressure put on the players. That said, the recent collapse is on the players, not the fans.

The game against Killie is a good example - how many in the ground truly believed we can win the league?

 

[Zoso10]

The fans have shown 5/6 years of patience with some of them, no surprise at some point fans are going to expect the worse from them, which they produced at Ross County , Dundee and Motherwell at home when they had a title in hand.

You can't expect positivity when players continually let the fans down.

At times we are actually the opposite of what the OP says, we bump up players and are too positive on them only to be let down when the going gets tough.

This is totally the case. And the OP will need to realise this.
These players owe the fans big time. Their attitude has been a f uckin disgrace when you think of the position they were in a few weeks ago to take the title.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

If I was being honest, I don’t think the atmosphere at Ibrox for league games helps. Not just the singing, but the lack of patience and pressure put on the players. That said, the recent collapse is on the players, not the fans.

The game against Killie is a good example - how many in the ground truly believed we can win the league?

Do you think we will win the league?

If so, how?

 

[JorgeCampos]

There's always a temptation from some quarters to lay the blame at ultimately poor performance and results at the door of the support. I'm not sure it is actually accurate though. By and large, players have not shown themselves to be regular winners over the course of their careers and choke pretty often in Rangers colours. I'd love for the solution just to be the support being more positive but...it isn't the solution.

There seems to be posters on here who actually think that negative comments during a match on the match thread for instance are having an impact on the game for instance.

 

[Blue Lew]

Pionts dropped were down to the team. Having said that our fans are nowhere near the great fans some think they are, if fact I think we are amongst the poorest at times.

One or two guys that sit behind me were almost willing Tav to miss the penalty, it was pathetic. I’m amazed they didn’t start shouting abuse at “his pal” (Goldson to you and I) even though he was out injured.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

Yes and for me it's about the same players over and over again letting us done. I had such high hopes last summer for new players coming in. I'm praying they get this transfer window right.

If they win this title, the filth will almost be over the hills and far away financially. That's why I will never forgive this sorry bunch for fcuking up this league.

I've had to accept what has went on since we've came back up. This one however takes on more importance financially.

I've had it with this lot.

If we lose at the weekend, the resentment towards this squad bubbling over will be of Pompei proportions.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

One or two guys that sit behind me were almost willing Tav to miss the penalty, it was pathetic. I’m amazed they didn’t start shouting abuse at “his pal” (Goldson to you and I) even though he was out injured.

Explain 'almost willing' to us?

Because I'm at a loss at this one.

 

[GeeSpot]

So after Ross County and Dundee you want Kumbaya?

After draws Dundee United and Motherwell and a home defeat to the mhanks we got Leipzig.

 

[RangersForever]

You can tell there is no belief.

Ibrox was flat as %^*& on Sunday.

Listening on the radio it sounded good apart from when one down.

 

[Blue Lew]

Explain 'almost willing' to us?

Because I'm at a loss at this one.

Comments like like “I bet this c.unt will miss this I’m telling you he’s definitely going to miss this” followed up by an almost self congratulatory “What did I tell you, I f.ucking told you” and then laughed.
He does nothing but moan about Tav and Goldson every game and can’t t wait for them to make a mistake.
Hope that clears things up for you.

 

[LFRFC]

The first post is the epitome of modern society and how they react to news they find on the internet.

A fan, one out of tens of thousands who wait to meet players post match across a season, many of whom are kids who will idolize the players, and many are fans who will praise the players.

All overlooked because of a 20 second clip.