What happened to 'the cry was no surrender'?
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Thommo2006
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It's alright the fans saying No Surrender etc etc unfortunately it's the ones on the pitch that we need that attitude from and frankly they aren't capable of it, happy to finish 2nd every season safe in the knowledge they get their thousands per week and the glamour of being a Rangers player
Barryhopez
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The same as "no one likes us, we don't care"
When in reality a lot of our support act like weans and are sensitive to the fact people don't like us very much.
When in reality a lot of our support act like weans and are sensitive to the fact people don't like us very much.
bpfurian
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When you're got a squad that bar three or four players who are so mentally weak that even a top class manager can't get into their heads and install confidence and fighting sprit, its always going to end the same way.
We all know individuals with the same attitude to life who cannot fathom the difference between success in any endeavour and failure is mental fortitude and a willingness to push through the pain barrier at any cost.
Second best is not what elite athletes in any sport aspire to be but until such times as we get rid of these individuals we need to honest as supporters and realise our board and recruiting policy is sub standard in recognising that mental toughness should be considered along with footballing ability in who we sign.
We all know individuals with the same attitude to life who cannot fathom the difference between success in any endeavour and failure is mental fortitude and a willingness to push through the pain barrier at any cost.
Second best is not what elite athletes in any sport aspire to be but until such times as we get rid of these individuals we need to honest as supporters and realise our board and recruiting policy is sub standard in recognising that mental toughness should be considered along with footballing ability in who we sign.
Another post wrong from the off.
The support havent/didn't throw the towel in. That was done on the park.
I, like many other supporters, have no faith in this group to deliver a title as I don't do blind optimism. I base it on what i see.
As ive said before, I absolutely hope im wrong on this one.
bearspaw
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Over time I've come to realise Rangers supporters support the club, the badge, the philosophy we bestow on that club, our history our values our beliefs.
We don't support the player or the custodians of the shirts we would all want to wear (with a few exceptions)
We don't get behind the guys who are struggling, the guys coming back from injury or struggling with form.
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Other than when we are winning our songs are a celebration of the past and our culture.
We don't drive the players on with our support, we curtail there confidence with the constant bickering and anger we direct at our own.
We might still do it this year but it won't be thanks to most of our fans, it'll be the players in those shirts
Bit of a contradiction in your post, completely writing the team off, and then hoping you're wrong.
As I pointed out, most football fans turn up every week with no hope that their team will win the league. It's maybe unlikely for us, but we're 3 points behind with an OF to come, a position we'd have taken when PC took the reins.
It's also only 2-3 weeks since we all believed this group was going to win the league. Still not impossible.
I bet the players would give 100% every week if their performance got analysed after each game to see if they deserved full pay or not
I agree with quite a lot of your post, but I would exempt a lot of fans from criticism, especially the traveling support.
We have a great and loyal support, but there's a vocal minority at Ibrox and on here, who are constantly angry and a bad result or two away from turning on the team, ready to take a flame-thrower to them all.
They don't appear to get a lot of enjoyment from following Rangers.
It's been a roller coaster season, still a bit to go and all to play for, starting tomorrow.
prenzlauerbear
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Honestly feel like I'm in some kind of reality distortion field when I read takes like this.
I don't see players giving less than 100%.
I've seen a few lacking confidence, some match fitness as the squad has been stretched, maybe even the ability we want to see, but I don't see anyone not giving their all.
What are you disagreeing with?
prenzlauerbear
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I mean, we have just been pumped off Ross County and then drew with Dundee to all but realistically end our chances of winning the league. To lose it three years in a row. Yet you're wondering why fans are upset?
These weird quasi-positive threads are the Live, Laugh, Love of FF. As if by not admitting it's all a bit shit right now makes you a better fan. Just need to post a "keep believing" image of Marvin Andrews to keep it going.
The entire conceit of the thread is delusional, sanctimonious bollocks, frankly.
Southsideblueblood
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Dear god there is always someone who starts blaming the fans. Take a day off. It's the players who surrendered. Yet again.
LarkfiedLoyalNS
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For this group of losers they surrendered.
We're all gutted at the last 2 results and performances, and the momentum has obviously swung significantly in the filth's favour, but we'd have taken this position in October.
Now"s not the time to turn on the team and manager, we'll have plenty time for post mortems later.
SaulBearenson
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I don't think the fitness thing can be understated at all. Since Phil came in, he's lamented the preseason and the fitness levels - something we'd all complained about under Beale and Gio, especially when comparing to how fit Milsom had us under Gerrard.
Add in the injuries and the core of the team have been playing twice a week without a real break. We've watched Goldson and Tav go down towards the end of games just before our form dipped, these are guys who have a history of playing through injuries, Lundstram too, but this gets forgotten because they're "cowards", or they're "not leaders" - the evidence for which appears to be that we dropped some points.
Cammy Fraser's Tache
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I see you're not even a glass half empty man, more of a locked room and loaded revolver type.
Flying_Scotsman
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We can only take so much and with team being pretty adept at surrendering then it rubs off on the support.
With respect it is definitely not a contradiction on my part.
I dont trust this team (and, yes, I know that the bheasts are no world beaters either), therefore I cannot see us winning the title.
I hope I'm wrong.
Just how I feel from what Ive seen over the past 4/5 games.
WLF
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But it beats meekly accepting 2nd best and the same players soiling their pants year after year.
That's fair enough, but we should be backing the team to the hilt whilst the hope is still there.
Tbf, the away fans do that, and did that at Ross Co and Dens.
It's the moaners at Ibrox that turn on the players far too quickly, then leave the stadium 10-15 minutes early, despite the managers pleas not too + the usual suspects on here, who will slaughter everyone at the club after any dip in form, I'm referring to.
Barryhopez
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I’m sorry, but calling out support entitled is a fucking disgrace.
The money we put into our club. The following we give them and time and time again we are let down by them. They bottle it over and over.
Motherwell at home to go 5 points clear - lost it
Celtic at home to go top with a game in hand - drew it after collapsing in the first half - we still haven’t beaten them in the league when it counts since 2021.
Ross County away to go top again - lost it
Dundee away to narrow the gap to 1 point - drew it.
Complete birthday card pish from the OP.
I back the team to the hilt. Always will until mathematically possible. Will sing myself hoarse at the next game as usual. My heart says we'll take 4 off Hearts tomorrow. My head says it'll be a turgid close game.
I agree 100pc with the fans turning too. The toxicity after one or 2 failed passes is ridiculous but thats been evident for seasons.
But in terms of slaughtering players, everyone is entitled to have their say.
Personally the vitriol directed specifically at Tav, Goldson and Lundstram is embarassing. These guys are not perfect but they have NO teammmates who take the burden off them and can 'mask' poor performances by scoring goals.
And it is our lack of potency that will gift the title to a very poor bheast team .
WLF
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You’re basically saying the “no surrender” mantra is a facade which is fine, im saying that’s at least better than genuinely coming away with that sort of thing for a side who fail over and over, which surely suggests people are actually not too bothered with the constant 2nd place finishes.What are you talking about?
You don't think the away fans turned on the players at Dingwall or Dundee?
Holy Moly
SuperGers07
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people have eyes, have seen this movie before and are realistic
George_Costanza
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There is nothing entitled about expecting players on 10-20k a week to be able to defend and pass a ball to a team mate and score when given an easy chance
There is nothing entitled about expecting a team to compete with Celtic when other sides in the league can and even beat them on a fraction of money spent on players that whereas we every single time in meaningful games crap the bed against them
There is nothing entitled about expecting total effort when we support the team vocally and financially every single season
There is nothing entitled about fans not settling for second best which the players seem to be doing
Again this no surrender patter really is dire when those running the club
and especially the players show as much fight as the supporters then use it
There is nothing entitled about expecting a team to compete with Celtic when other sides in the league can and even beat them on a fraction of money spent on players that whereas we every single time in meaningful games crap the bed against them
There is nothing entitled about expecting total effort when we support the team vocally and financially every single season
There is nothing entitled about fans not settling for second best which the players seem to be doing
Again this no surrender patter really is dire when those running the club
and especially the players show as much fight as the supporters then use it
Grumpy Old Git
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Don’t ever feel like a mug for supporting the team.
We've won more trophies than any other club in history.
Fans the World over pump their money into their clubs, and the vast majority see a tiny fraction of the success we've enjoyed.
It's been tough since 2012, we've been unfairly hamstrung, but we've still seen the best Euro campaigns of my lifetime in recent years, and we've still got it all to play for this season.
No one is questioning the loyalty of our fans, but a minority of them, including a few on here, are permanently angry, entitled, and appear to take no enjoyment in following Rangers, unless we're winning easily. Not sure they understand the meaning of supporting the team tbh.
Good to hear, hopefully everyone will be a bit happier after tomorrow, with an OF final to look forward to. We can still turn it around, it has to start tomorrow.
I find this difficult one as the board are pouring money into players wages, We have the biggest wage bill in the league. They are making improvements to Ibrox. They are not just fleecing supporters for the fun of it. Bad players decisions by different manager has slurped up money. Hopefully we now have a team of managers who are going to improve things in that department.
Velvet Underground
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This for me. I’m nearly 40, grew up with 9IAR, Advocaat, McLeish.
I think if you missed those eras and your earliest memories are let’s say Walter coming back and picking up the pieces then you’re going to have a totally different perspective of supporting Rangers. When you’ve known mostly footballing misery since then another year of it probably doesn’t have the same affect to you as it does to the folk who remember what we once were.
BlackfordLoyal
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Honestly if you want No Surrender go and join your local abod branch club do you honestly think the players in that dressing room give a fcuk about No Surrender type attitudes?? It's the usual Rangers cocktail with loan players not giving a shit, players out of contact checking out and the usual suspects bottle jobs.
si72
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It's an insult to Bears who travel to Ibrox, week in week out and to those who travel from afar and to those who are no longer with us.Its pathetic and classless.
ChildOfGoth
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Some only know the words mate
