Article 99 - league title

Bobans27 said:
They simply cannot award Celtic a league title when we have a game in hand and the possibility of reducing the gap to 4 points with 6 games to play.

They know it and Celtic know it. We’d be a laughing stock.

Its not even close to the situation down south either.
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Perfectly put.
 
Relax. Legally there is no way they can relegate hearts or crown Celtic under the current rule book. Same for every league in Europe as nobody has secured anything. There’s no way Scotland will take on the legal action to back Celtic even though I’m sure they would want to. Much like resolution 66 they will be told by their lawyers there’s no chance of winning
 
Bobans27 said:
They simply cannot award Celtic a league title when we have a game in hand and the possibility of reducing the gap to 4 points with 6 games to play.

They know it and Celtic know it. We’d be a laughing stock.

Its not even close to the situation down south either.
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They have recent history of cracking under pressure. Helicopter Sunday season being the example.
 
Orange Bear said:
The Scottish sun today reported -

However, in extreme cases such as this one, Article 99 of the SPFL constitution says the board DOES have it in their power to make decisions such as awarding the title IF it is deemed to be in the best interests of the company.

Having looked at article 99 –

Rules and regulations | SPFL

spfl.co.uk spfl.co.uk

That's incorrect

I couldn't copy and paste the text and don't know how to post a screenshot.

They can change the rules , but there's no mention of awarding the title.

The article has voiding as the 4th option, which in my view , is the only sensible option.

If you try and play into the summer, players are out of contract, and clubs might not be able to fulfill fixtures, or clubs can sign new players - how would that be fair if the team is upgraded to play the last part of the season.

The only fair option is to void the league , start afresh after the summer.

How can the Scottish Sun get away with misdirecting the public ?
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Because it’s the ‘Sun’ and it’s whole reason for being is to misdirect the public.
 
It is an easy solution to the whole thing. Null and void. All money pots are split evenly between all member clubs. Start again in August. That’s it.

The only people hanging onto suspend and restart is them. They want a title and don’t care about the health of individuals.

That club have no shame. No morals. But will roll out sporting integrity when it suits them.

Let them boil in their own pish and anger.
 
I’m no lawyer but reading the rules & regulations for this year in the link, there is nothing to cater for this situation , however section J16 is interesting in that the powers of the board & commission allow them to determine the result of a match (j16.7) and also relegate a team and promote another (j16.11) BUT they can only do a in event that a Breach of Rules and Regulations has occurred - arguing this could keep lawyers in £ for years
 
Just heard 3 positives at glasgow uni, forget this season its not hsppening it over. I heard the germans will just stop with no winners or relegation.
Spfl / sfa??? Joke.
 
bearspakora said:
The stupid amount of points we've thrown away since the New Year will make it easier for the SPFL on this issue. A 5 or 6 points gap and there would be no talk whatsoever of handing that mob the League title.
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So what is the points threshold for being handed a title that's not been won?
 
Wand Of A Right Foot said:
Only if the rules state this.
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The rules do say this. Potentially. The season runs from the first league game until the last league game, or as otherwise determined by the Board. Rule C38 says whoever is in first place at the end of the season is the Champion. A season is to be 38 games, excluding any postponed or abandoned games.

Therefore the Board could postpone the remaining games, say the season has ended (or that it ends on May 16 irrespective of how many games get played by then) and Celtic would be crowned Champions. And they can say it’s all in the rules. Because it is.

Or, they could say this particular eventuality is not accounted for in the rules and the Board has the power under the rules to make such determinations as it sees fit to cover it off.

And for those saying if they extend the season we shouldn’t play - that’s against the rules so we would get penalised for that.
 
Blu_ultra said:
Exactly. Remember Liewell's reaction in 2008? Calling the league's integrity into question by extending it a week. We lost a league and a decent chance at a European trophy because of that. What goes around comes around I'm afraid.
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This needs rubbed in their faces at every opportunity
 
W78 said:
The rules do say this. Potentially. The season runs from the first league game until the last league game, or as otherwise determined by the Board. Rule C38 says whoever is in first place at the end of the season is the Champion. A season is to be 38 games, excluding any postponed or abandoned games.

Therefore the Board could postpone the remaining games, say the season has ended (or that it ends on May 16 irrespective of how many games get played by then) and Celtic would be crowned Champions. And they can say it’s all in the rules. Because it is.

Or, they could say this particular eventuality is not accounted for in the rules and the Board has the power under the rules to make such determinations as it sees fit to cover it off.

And for those saying if they extend the season we shouldn’t play - that’s against the rules so we would get penalised for that.
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Am I looking at the wrong rule C38? I can’t see any of the text you mention:

Champion Clubs
C38 The Club occupying position one in the League at the end of a Season shall be declared the Champion Club of the League and shall hold the "The Scottish Professional Football League Championship Trophy" until the next Season's League Competition is concluded. When the winner of The Scottish Professional Football League Championship trophy has been ascertained, the Trophy shall be handed over to the winner who shall return the same to the Company at the League Office not later than 3 weeks prior to the end of the next following Season, in good order and condition and in any event as soon as reasonably practicable following a request from the Board. It shall be the responsibility of the winning Club to arrange appropriate insurance cover for each trophy throughout the period when it is held by the Club.
C39 The Company shall present to the Champion Club of the League 25 League
 
they can click bait all they want, season is over and it ended without a champion. Anyone that says otherwise will not get by CAS. Its finished full stop.

We should just sit back and enjoy them greeting.
 
W78 said:
The rules do say this. Potentially. The season runs from the first league game until the last league game, or as otherwise determined by the Board. Rule C38 says whoever is in first place at the end of the season is the Champion. A season is to be 38 games, excluding any postponed or abandoned games.

Therefore the Board could postpone the remaining games, say the season has ended (or that it ends on May 16 irrespective of how many games get played by then) and Celtic would be crowned Champions. And they can say it’s all in the rules. Because it is.

Or, they could say this particular eventuality is not accounted for in the rules and the Board has the power under the rules to make such determinations as it sees fit to cover it off.

And for those saying if they extend the season we shouldn’t play - that’s against the rules so we would get penalised for that.
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Can you point me to Where it says or as otherwise determined by the board ? I can’t see that .
 
W78 said:
The rules do say this. Potentially. The season runs from the first league game until the last league game, or as otherwise determined by the Board. Rule C38 says whoever is in first place at the end of the season is the Champion. A season is to be 38 games, excluding any postponed or abandoned games.

Therefore the Board could postpone the remaining games, say the season has ended (or that it ends on May 16 irrespective of how many games get played by then) and Celtic would be crowned Champions. And they can say it’s all in the rules. Because it is.

Or, they could say this particular eventuality is not accounted for in the rules and the Board has the power under the rules to make such determinations as it sees fit to cover it off.

And for those saying if they extend the season we shouldn’t play - that’s against the rules so we would get penalised for that.
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new member rule c38 states

The Club occupying position one in the League at the end of a Season shall be declared the Champion Club of the League and shall hold the "The Scottish Professional Football League Championship Trophy" until the next Season's League Competition is concluded. When the winner of The Scottish Professional Football League Championship trophy has been ascertained, the Trophy shall be handed over to the winner who shall return the same to the Company at the League Office not later than 3 weeks prior to the end of the next following Season, in good order and condition and in any event as soon as reasonably practicable following a request from the Board. It shall be the responsibility of the winning Club to arrange appropriate insurance cover for each trophy throughout the period when it is held by the Club
 
They have began pushing the agenda. Quite incredible that this is their priority given there are people dying all over the world. But I'd expect no less from that shower of sh1te.
 
The Scum who ignored the biggest scandal in sport trying to hand the same vermin an illegal league title? Who’d have thought it?
 
Hideyorii said:
Sorry mate wasn't having a dig at you personally, starve the Bastards of The Blue Pound.

On the same note; every time you click on that electronic shit paper they make so much a click from their advertisers. The Daily Mail make a fortune from clicks adding up.
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The Herald/Ev Tims site pays £400 bonus to journalists who can get 1m clicks per article. Hence why the headlines are clickbait about Rangers, Celtic, Sectarianism etc.
 
Del said:
Rangers need to say feck all for now to the media. On this one dignified silence is 100% correct.

The yahoos are doing a grand job of looking crass wankers trying to claim unearned titles. Leave them to it.

When the time comes the club needs to be ready to act. Nothing wrong with telling the SPFL privately that they will fight it all the way.

The only question anyone on our board needs to ask is "would the yahoos hand us the title if the roles were reversed?".
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It’s massive for the board, this whole situation.

If they appear meek and weak handed while Celtic walk away with a title, a lot of fans will be done with them.
 
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flootbon said:
Play the League to it's conclusion. Even if it goes into July / August or later. Make next season a shortened season. At least clubs and fans would know it's a short season from the outset.

What you can't do is award titles and relegate clubs. Especially treating one club different from the rest.
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%^*& that, sporting integrity.
 
If the SPFL try to award the scum the title Rangers will fight it in court. We all know that the SPFL and the SFA are screwed for money and we could bankrupt them both as King has more money then both of them and will fight it all the way.

I'm sure Hearts would also chip in as the same "decision" would be relagting them when they have a chance to survive.

It's pure fantasy from the scum loving press who lets be perfectly honest would not be caring one iota if we were 13 points clear right now.
 
Tormusk1872 said:
The Herald/Ev Tims site pays £400 bonus to journalists who can get 1m clicks per article. Hence why the headlines are clickbait about Rangers, Celtic, Sectarianism etc.
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That's right, it's telling they make f'all from "Organised Paedophile Sex Ring in Scottish Football" headlines; they just never print these headlines.
 
DeBear said:
Can you point me to Where it says or as otherwise determined by the board ? I can’t see that .
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At the start of the rules there are a list of definitions. “Season” is a defined term. The “or as otherwise determined” wording is in there.
 
Rt. Hon. Bearman said:
The bottom line is, when the season was suspended no one had clinched the title and no one had been condemned to relegation.

If the season cannot be completed, then it is void. You cannot award a title that hasn't been earned or impose relegation when it isn't deserved.

If Celtic are good enough to win the title next season and Hearts not good enough to stay up, then fine. But those things can and must only occur upon the completion of a league season.
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You can only declare a season finished when ALL league positions are decided.

Given there is a differing level of prize money for each position every club has a vested interest in this as most, if not all, positions can still change.
 
Tormusk1872 said:
Poster W78 seems to be reading the Peter Lawwell rule book.
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No, I’m reading the SPFL rule book. You might want to try it before you slag people off. How dare we arm ourselves with facts when we can just howl at the moon eh?
 
woodster said:
in all likelihood, if there is to be a winner of the premiership the remaining games will need to be played as I can’t see the spfl being content to award Raith Rovers the league

will the remaining games be played behind closed doors - who knows but seems unlikely
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The players union will now allow games to go ahead behind closed doors.

Their members are more at risk of the virus being transmitted player to player than from anyone in the crowd.
 
Craigie said:
The players union will now allow games to go ahead behind closed doors.

Their members are more at risk of the virus being transmitted player to player than from anyone in the crowd.
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something that’s being overlooked is the strain on the nhs due to this.

the nhs can’t afford to provide staff for a football game, when their service can be utilised better elsewhere.

football is off until at least August.
 
Another important point to remember, because Rangers and Them alternate board membership of the SFA & SPFL this season Liewell is NOT on the SPFL board.

Robertson is so it's highly unlikely it will get to a vote stage.
 
The SPFL is, effectively, a private members club. Like most private members clubs their rules are a mess. Unfortunately, again like most private members clubs, their rules allow them to make ad hoc decisions 'on the hoof'. They can change their rules to suit their own purpose if it gets voted through. We know this to our cost from just a few years ago. There is ALWAYS that catch-all rule that lets the members take 'any other decision' they see fit. There's little point searching their rules for justifications for them to award the Dhims the title. If they are minded to do it, then they will vote it through regardless - justification within the rules or not.

The only crumb of comfort is that they are liable to legal challenge and, given the sums of money at stake here for some clubs, most likely would be challenged.
 
W78 said:
At the start of the rules there are a list of definitions. “Season” is a defined term. The “or as otherwise determined” wording is in there.
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Fair enough that adds a whole new dimension to the debate
 
This is where we should be privately working with allies in the english league asking to be seconded for membership of the FA for potential acceleration to the EFL. Then when the SPL announce they are champions we announce our 1 year notice we are leaving the cheats
 
Be interesting to see how the 7 clubs represented on the SPFL board would be effected by voiding the league.

Rangers
Motherwell
Hamilton
Dunfermline
Alloa
Montrose
Brechin
 
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