HenningBerg
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Youre talking nonsense . Why do all top sports teams employ people at no little cost To work on the mental aspect of their chosen sport ? The whole world is wrong and you are right . Very good .
This mentality nonsense
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Youre talking nonsense . Why do all top sports teams employ people at no little cost To work on the mental aspect of their chosen sport ? The whole world is wrong and you are right . Very good .
Danger Zone
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Complacency, the fact that some games are deemed less important than the others, the particular mood of the squad at that particular time, other sides working harder against the top teams? There a myriad of reasons. Your post is one of the strangest posts I’ve ever seen on here by the way. You completely disregard a massive factor simply because there’s no way of quantifying it. So in spite of the fact countless athletes in the history of world sport assure us it’s a significant factor you reckon they’re all talking bollocks, sports psychologists are a waste of time and are employed to take care of something that doesn’t exist, and ultimately skill wins the day.
Yes of course, which is why Pep’s Barcelona won 4 CL’s in a row (except they didnt), and obviously by the same reckoning Greece were clearly the most gifted squad at Euro 2004. What a load of bollocks.
CaptainObjective
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Out of interest who's Celtics 'mental' coach? You have completely fallen for the mainstream media narrative. It is so far down the list of relevance it is laughable.
Complacency? By this super dooper team with this great winning mentality? Never! It is not a relevant factor. You can't even see it or measure it. Anyone with a brain with cognition can see Lionel Messi is a good player. You can literally see his skill and ability. Can you see his mentality? If you transplanted a different mentality would he become a less skillfull/successful player?
How do you sign a player with a winning mentality? What professional player goes on to the pitch not wanting to win? How can a professional player stop wanting to win during a cup final?
In the 2016/17 season they went the whole domestic season unbeaten. "The Invincibles." Was this because of their 'mentality'? Or was it because they were simply better than everyone else? The Invincibles finished rock bottom of their Champions League group with a -16 goal difference. What happened to their winning mentality? They literally didn't win a game. Why? Because skill and ability are the most relevant factors. They simply faced better teams, better players, came up against better tactics and there was not a single thing their super dooper 'winning mentality' could do about it.
Hypothetically say they were knocked out of the Scottish Cup by another team and we went on to win the final against someone like Kilmarnock or Motherwell would that mean we all of a sudden have a 'winning mentality'? It makes no sense. More often than not skill, ability, tactics etc decide outcomes. Mentality is so far down the list of relevance it is laughable.
Your examples of big upsets happen because of variance/probability. They are not repeatable outcomes or at best highly unlikely.
Danger Zone
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Yes if Messi had a weaker mentality he would not be as successful because all the skill in the world won’t matter if you can’t steady yourself and keep your composure to use it. It’s why 9 times out of 10 Gonzalo Higuain could stick the ball in the net like it’s second nature but couldn’t strike the ball cleanly or hit the target to take relatively simply chances in high pressure moments in international finals (its also worth noting that he’s choked huge chances in 3 separate international finals, that’s repeatability mate).
And RE your point about the Scottish cup, yes it does. We were eliminated from both cups at the semi final stage by a shite Aberdeen side with lesser players than us. Two big chances to get to Hampden, why didn’t our skill, ability and tactics carry is through? Because the pressure was to make a final and we suddenly found we couldn’t the basics right.
And for the record, no player goes on the pitch not wanting to win, you seem to have a completely warped view of what a winning mentality is, it’s not whether or not they want to win, it’s how they deal with pressure moments and whether or not they can compose themselves well enough to do the right thing and execute their pass/shot/cross/tackle/save well. All in all that’s a car crash post and a rather embarrassing pile of pish that refutes science, history, logic and the claims of literally thousands of athletes through sporting history. No disrespect.
Geerfc19
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Nobody has fallen for any mainstream media nonsense and you're sounding very silly here. I really hope your just drunk.
ibroxbound
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It was down to us being unable to defend,offside or not,a dead ball situation into our box.
My heart is in my mouth every time a free kick or corner is pumped into our box.
EverGer
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Superb post!
EverGer
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We defended well. The players held their line and the Celtic players were all offside. How do you defend that?
Valley Bluenose
RTV? Completed it mate!
Is it not more accurate to say that in the space of 4 days questionable refereeing decisions at Pittodrie, the DhimDome and Hampden have seen us done over?
Clearly we should have done better in our two games but we shouldn’t have to overcome ‘additional’ obstacles as well.
ibroxbound
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Ask the manager as he also said we didn't defend it well.
Sick to the back teeth of reading about weak mentality, serial losers, etc.
The improvement in the side in the last 18 months is huge. We’re punching above our weight in Europe, and have proved we can go toe to toe with the scum.
Last season the title was a step too far, but we have improved our levels of consistency and have a right good chance this season.
The draw at Pittodrie was disappointing, and obvious the result yesterday, but let’s remember that title winning Rangers teams didn’t win every big match.
Nothing to do with bottle at this stage. If we’re still in the running with 5-6 games to go, then you’ll see whether or not we have what it takes.
The improvement in the side in the last 18 months is huge. We’re punching above our weight in Europe, and have proved we can go toe to toe with the scum.
Last season the title was a step too far, but we have improved our levels of consistency and have a right good chance this season.
The draw at Pittodrie was disappointing, and obvious the result yesterday, but let’s remember that title winning Rangers teams didn’t win every big match.
Nothing to do with bottle at this stage. If we’re still in the running with 5-6 games to go, then you’ll see whether or not we have what it takes.
Spot on, was just one of them days. If just 1 of the shots we had went in it would have been a different story all together. We could have beat them by atleast 3 yesterday.
They should be worried cz they were bullied all over the pitch and scraped the win with another controversial decision.
Onwards and upwards from here.
scooter70
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Should have had 2 and their goal shouldnt have stood, also thats 2 games Callum McGregor has stayed on the park when he should have been off, should have been booked for a tackle early doors then got a yellow later on, wont be mentioned,d they are two busy demonising Morelos again
You need an element of luck and a good performance if you are going to beat them in a Cup final, yesterday we had one but not the other, if morelos had mishit one of his shots they probably go in, he was too accurate most of the day
Btw, he also ragdolled their defence all day yet again
Yesterday we saw the likes of Sutton and Craigan true colours come to the fore again re the wee man, they hate him, genuinely hate him and cannot contain their feelings
Jaws II
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Of course it’s mentality
last year we bottled a semi final against Aberdeen. We fell apart in our last 2 European games. As soon as we took the lead in the league we dropped 3 points to Killie.
This year we never laid a glove on Celtic in the first old firm game.
In the last 2 weeks as the games become more vital.
The managers undroppable CH makes another clanger and throws away a lead against Feyenoord. Next important game Aberdeen. 2-0 up our defenders mess up and let them score. Our game crumbles and we drop points while the scum force a goal in injury time to go clear again.
We then have most possession against the scum yesterday and our main striker who has been banging them in, can’t cope with missing chances and not scoring against them. As a result his composure goes and also his temperament.
Anyone can miss a penalty however doing this against your main rivals in a final is totally about your mentality.
As soon as they score we can’t cope with adversity and we fall apart. Tavernier our captain never had the balls to take this penalty and Morelos didn’t have them to finish it.
When they were down to 10 men we should have hammered that goal however if anything that was the scums best part of the game.
So to say this has nothing to do with mentality is nonsense, it is all about mentality. We have shown we are as skilful but don’t have the nerves of steel of winners to cope with adversity.
last year we bottled a semi final against Aberdeen. We fell apart in our last 2 European games. As soon as we took the lead in the league we dropped 3 points to Killie.
This year we never laid a glove on Celtic in the first old firm game.
In the last 2 weeks as the games become more vital.
The managers undroppable CH makes another clanger and throws away a lead against Feyenoord. Next important game Aberdeen. 2-0 up our defenders mess up and let them score. Our game crumbles and we drop points while the scum force a goal in injury time to go clear again.
We then have most possession against the scum yesterday and our main striker who has been banging them in, can’t cope with missing chances and not scoring against them. As a result his composure goes and also his temperament.
Anyone can miss a penalty however doing this against your main rivals in a final is totally about your mentality.
As soon as they score we can’t cope with adversity and we fall apart. Tavernier our captain never had the balls to take this penalty and Morelos didn’t have them to finish it.
When they were down to 10 men we should have hammered that goal however if anything that was the scums best part of the game.
So to say this has nothing to do with mentality is nonsense, it is all about mentality. We have shown we are as skilful but don’t have the nerves of steel of winners to cope with adversity.
prenzlauerbear
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The ridiculous 4-4-2 tactic was more of an issue than mentality.
We're also terrible at dealing with teams who time waste.
We're also terrible at dealing with teams who time waste.
Blues and Royals
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Celtic are not a ' very good team '. They can't even qualify for the Champions league group stages.
linthousebear1981
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They switched off against Aberdeen, you could see it about the 40th minute, stray passes etc. They thought they were on easy street. They couldn't then raise their game again to match Aberdeen, that is a concern to me. That is a mentality thing.
Yesterday, I wouldn't say it was a mentality thing other than at the penalty. It was a bad penalty. I think he over thought it and he was trying too hard with every opportunity he had. There was no composure, it was just blast it on target and hope it has enough power to cause a problem.
The result yesterday will test them all mentally, its about how collectively they are going to react to that. Are they going to take it as a lesson and never want to feel that pain again and do better and win the Scottish Cup and the League, plus last 32 Europa qualification? Or are they going to feel sorry for themselves %^*& it all?
Yesterday, I wouldn't say it was a mentality thing other than at the penalty. It was a bad penalty. I think he over thought it and he was trying too hard with every opportunity he had. There was no composure, it was just blast it on target and hope it has enough power to cause a problem.
The result yesterday will test them all mentally, its about how collectively they are going to react to that. Are they going to take it as a lesson and never want to feel that pain again and do better and win the Scottish Cup and the League, plus last 32 Europa qualification? Or are they going to feel sorry for themselves %^*& it all?
LJ50
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Sorry, I don’t know anyone could have stood through that last 10 minutes yesterday and not question the mentality of the players. Especially not off the back of Wednesday night.
Did anyone really think the players looked like they believed they were going to win at any point after the missed penalty? I certainly didn’t to be honest. The whole attitude of the side, with a couple of notable exceptions such as Ryan Jack, had a vibe of “oh no, here we go again” about it.
Fact is that the players showed for an hour that we have the talent to dominate games against them. But until we win something, then the evidence of the last 20 minutes, the meek performance in first game against them, the similarly timid display against Hearts and second half to Aberdeen all mean that the players have yet to show they can cope with the pressure of expected success in big games. Time will tell if that is a factor, but right now there is no point denying their are questions to be asked
Did anyone really think the players looked like they believed they were going to win at any point after the missed penalty? I certainly didn’t to be honest. The whole attitude of the side, with a couple of notable exceptions such as Ryan Jack, had a vibe of “oh no, here we go again” about it.
Fact is that the players showed for an hour that we have the talent to dominate games against them. But until we win something, then the evidence of the last 20 minutes, the meek performance in first game against them, the similarly timid display against Hearts and second half to Aberdeen all mean that the players have yet to show they can cope with the pressure of expected success in big games. Time will tell if that is a factor, but right now there is no point denying their are questions to be asked
paisleybear8811
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That’s fair comment. We shouldn’t be trying to lay an offside trap 6 yards from our goal. Too much can go wrong.
Tbh I don’t think that was the strategy anyway, I agree wi you that we did not defend it well. If we cut that ball out before it gets to the back post the offside decision doesn’t come into it.
CaptainCourageous
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We are about to find out the mentality of these players after a tough week.
Young Boys at home, Motherwell away, Hibs away, Kilmarnock at home and the bheggars away.
I couldn't give a shit of Motherwell are playing well and Hibs have a new manager who will raise their game - if we are serious about winning the league we win these matches, no excuses.
Young Boys at home, Motherwell away, Hibs away, Kilmarnock at home and the bheggars away.
I couldn't give a shit of Motherwell are playing well and Hibs have a new manager who will raise their game - if we are serious about winning the league we win these matches, no excuses.
Bluenose1979
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Why did people want Tav off penalties? Because they did. No matter how many folk are calling him spineless for yesterday, the overwhelming narrative prior to that was "why the fck does he keep taking them when he's missed so many!?"
We know he's not a shit PK taker, his overall record is good. He's had a poor run of form with them this season.
So why were so many folk wanting him not to take them - including yesterday, when the posts were all "don't take it Tav!" until Alfie missed it, then it became "our so-called captain is a coward"?
Out of curiosity...
We know he's not a shit PK taker, his overall record is good. He's had a poor run of form with them this season.
So why were so many folk wanting him not to take them - including yesterday, when the posts were all "don't take it Tav!" until Alfie missed it, then it became "our so-called captain is a coward"?
Out of curiosity...
Whitelodge
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Agree 100%. Man for man The whole team were much better then the other lot. I’ll say no more than that.
Whitelodge
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I’m afraid yesterday was a bit more than ‘luck’ on there part. I’m sure you know that though.
Bluenose1979
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Agree 100%. Massive test ahead in the next few weeks and at grounds we have very ropey form on against sides on the up and who will be determined to take something from us.
If we get 4 out of four on this run, I think the team will have answered the mentality question.
If we see points dropped, they may answer it in a different way.
SenoraCuellar
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I think people are confusing mentality with the team not being very good. It's nothing to do with that. There are certain issues that need addressing and that all comes under "mentality". They thought they could coast along against Aberdeen and it backfired, sometimes Goldson and Tav play like they know they wont be dropped so are lacklustre, Morelos has let Celtic into his head and now tries so hard against them it hinders his natural ability, we lack a ruthlessness, teams aren't scared of us and no one stands up when it's needed to grab the game and the team by the scruff of the neck and give them a shake and fire them on. People keep saying these results or media articles or Sutton's wafflings will spur them on...it doesn't, it never happens. These things all need looked at as they are becoming our weaknesses.
CaptainObjective
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Aberdeen done us last season because they had us sussed out tactically. And we didn't have the ability or know how to break them down. Hence why they played a certain way against us every time and it worked for them.
So the players don't have a winning mentality now but if they were to beat a vastly inferior side in a cup final all of a sudden we have a team with a winning mentality? This is absurd.
Out with the mentally challenged squad, what player has the best winning mentality in Scotland? Let's go sign him.. While we're at it, let's sign the best winning mentality the Croatian and Slovakian leagues have to offer.
Your argument is laughable. The most relevant factors are skill & ability. Sign better players, win more games of football. Of course you need a bit of steel and determination about you but come on that is the bare minimum I'd expect from a competitive professional footballer. The theory goes out the window when they win a game by a goal that should not have stood. Unless a winning mentality can somehow defy the laws of the game.
Human error and variance played a huge part in the outcome yesterday. Absolutely hee-haw to do with 'mentality'.
JRei8790
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Very well said.
Well said op
I feel for the players more than ever today, they gave everything and but for a world class goalkeeping display and a huge amount of luck.
Nobody anywhere expected a one sided performance like that and thats all anyone will remember from that final.
We are on the rise and its only a matter of time before we have our day, Gerrard is a born winner and won't stop until we have the better of those kunts.
I feel for the players more than ever today, they gave everything and but for a world class goalkeeping display and a huge amount of luck.
Nobody anywhere expected a one sided performance like that and thats all anyone will remember from that final.
We are on the rise and its only a matter of time before we have our day, Gerrard is a born winner and won't stop until we have the better of those kunts.
Sir Sasa Papac
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He had 7 shots on target. He won a penalty, deserved to win another one.
he didn’t give them a minutes peace the whole game. You are blatantly an idiot and you’ve still not even attempted to explain how that makes him “powderpuff“ or “limp”.
muttley
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The tramps played poor and went down to 10 men.. I think we need to bring in a sports psychologist.
MarkieLoyal
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You Sir should be banned for talking sense, being balanced and rational.
Its not allowed on here y`know! Cracking post.
ClockworkOrange
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7 shots on target, 9 reasonable attempts at goal and not one of them even looked remotely close to going in at any point, and that's before we come to a penalty that was the very definition of powderpuff and limp and a subsequent loss of focus that could/should have seen him subbed.
Deserves credit for winning the penalty but I have much higher expectations for Morelos than simply getting some shots away and closing down some Celtic players (which was nowhere near as successful as it was in any other big game this season). Perhaps we just have different standards.
Sir Sasa Papac
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You’ve shown your true colours you mentally challenged cant
ClockworkOrange
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You were actually holding your own for a bit there mate but let yourself down massively there with a sad, desperate post.
Barisic's Bandage
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Every team in the world have outplayed the opposition and not won some games. It's football, every team in the world are not weak mentally.
Bada-Bing
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Good post, like a lot on this thread. Checked in after the game and as you describe ’absolute weans on here’.
Nae luck yesterday but WATP. Our time will come (again).
wilso10
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You don’t really understand football do you?
Not scoring against 10 men who are literally camped behind the ball for 20 minutes isn’t a sign of being mentally weak it’s a sign that we lacked quality in the most crucial phase of the match.
It’s actually been said many times before that playing against 10 men can sometimes be more difficult than against 11 and given the tims had a goal to protect they were defending for their lives and completely suffocated us.
I repeat, that is not a sign of being mentally weak.
ClockworkOrange
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Correct, but as been pointed out, there's previous.
Dorrans
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The tramps played as well as we allowed...Following your postin history today I think you need to bring in a sports psychiatrist.
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Deleted member 10704
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Because they beat Lazio, they're hailed as potential EL winners. I actually thought Lazio were dire with poor passing and gifting possession. That was unusual for a top Italian team.
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It's what Jock Wallace called 'character'. If it all goes tits up by Christmas, big questions will be asked of the team.
Danger Zone
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Hopefully the coaching staff aren’t as naive as some of you guys. If they are then we could be waiting a while before we see silverware at Ibrox again.
BlueSevenTwo
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We capitulated at Pittodrie , how else would you describe it?
I will always watch regardless.
BlueSevenTwo
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Clearly we should have done better full stop.
