Club 1872 AGM - 7 people attended?

cambridgeblue said:
C1872 should fold the shares back into the club in return for the pitch - keeps the club safe from sale. Their shareholding is meaningless now and the prospect of it increasing is very low.
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I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but is that not what saved Chelsea?
I do recall a club being saved because the fans owned the pitch but not the ground or anything else.
 
Robert Marshall said:
Maybe if they didn't expel professionals that were willing to help in the short term, sort it out, and have free elections where no one was barred from standing it might help, then making up lies to try and get one of them jailed and we come to the disgusting way they treated a well respected
Church of Scotland Minister who has more respect than the rest of them put together who only wanted what was best for the Members ( sorry, contributors since they decided they were going to be the Members with the ultimate vote.
Why don't they publish how many people vote and not %, we all know the reasons
Then you have the farce with DK shares
The only way is for them all to resign and allow a free, fair, and democratic Board to be appointed for a set amount of time and make sure this nonsense can never happen again
They have destroyed Club 1872, a really good idea taken hostage by incompetent individuals chasing Blazers being controlled by people not elected to the Board
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What were the lies they made up about you to the police?
 
Snoopproddiedogg said:
I can only remember you telling them to resign by a certain date.
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And that is reason to say I threatened them to PS?
Simple answers Yes or No
Do you think they have been good for C1872?
Do you think they have been open and Transparent with the contributors
How many members have they lost since being in office
Do you think DK and CG are controlling them?
Take your time while you think about these difficult questions
 
The Moon on Mars is Blue said:
The reason to still contribute is that you can still vote. The people in charge ,if they have Rangers at heart , should organise new elections,stand down themselves and let new blood in. They have failed and it is really time for a change.
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They cynically took away the £5 a month option so people could still votr while giving very little.
 
wee bud's pit boots said:
I've never met Chris Graham. If he thinks, or thought he should be a decision maker, then that's on him. I couldn't say.

I've met Craig Houston a few times in passing back in the day. I never thought, or got the impression at any time, that he had ideas of gandeur, as in I should be part of the next board.

Now we all know, as a gesture, the victorious board after 6/3/2015 invited a few individuals into the Directors' Box for their unstinting work in the dark days before we got our club back.

But what I thought about that gesture back then is the same as I think now. It was an acknowledgement to some guys who put their head above the parapet more than most.

Nothing more and nothing less.
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Craig Houston and Chris Graham were given salaried positions at Rangers by Dave King where they earned a lot of money for doing very little.

When King left these "jobs" were ended and they have both been bitter about losing their cushy numbers ever since.
 
BigBadJohn said:
I see.


I assume that's who Snoop was talking about.

Was just wonder I remember the C1872 thread went massive and I bailed out. Was curious how it all ended up.
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People like Snoop love them, always convinced he was part of the gang but to be honest he is irrelevant
I';m away for my popcorn to watch Happy Valley
 
Valley Bluenose said:
And do what with the shares they hold? Not quite as simple. Certainly needs a root and branch reform and new personalities at the helm. As stated in the videos, they've become inextricably linked to King, who has his own issues with the Club Board. Will never succeed whilst at odds with the Club and that won't come without movement on their part.
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Distribute them between the contributors? I’m sure there could be a deal done with Tifosy to manage them, similar to how they manage those bought in the share issue in 2021.
 
The concept is great, but the execution has been deeply flawed. Rather than being respected as an organisation that represents the best interests of the majority of Rangers fans, C1872 is (righly or wrongly) widely viewed by many, as an impotent cabal, whose primary objective seems to be looking after their own self interests, while visibly doing very little to actually represent the fans. I really don't see any way back for them.
 
EndOfDays said:
Craig Houston and Chris Graham were given salaried positions at Rangers by Dave King where they earned a lot of money for doing very little.

When King left these "jobs" were ended and they have both been bitter about losing their cushy numbers ever since.
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Dunno about Chris Graham but Craig Houston done alot for our club
 
They really need to call it a day. I was a member but it was more by frustration from the events of 2012 that seen me sign up to anything that would prevent the club falling into the hands of rogues. I ended my subscription when the DK deal was announced. If all the monies was made available to Rangers only a handful would object and for me there view is irrelevant.
 
Robert Marshall said:
The RST and RF along with everyone who bought shares in Rangers and voted the old Board out were the ones that done a lot
The only reason we won is because we had more shares
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I have no sides in the battle rab but Craig Houston did his part mate
 
Robert Marshall said:
And that is reason to say I threatened them to PS?
Simple answers Yes or No
Do you think they have been good for C1872?
Do you think they have been open and Transparent with the contributors
How many members have they lost since being in office
Do you think DK and CG are controlling them?
Take your time while you think about these difficult questions
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The PS matter is between you and them. But you do like paint yourself as the wee victim in all this when you played your part


I think change is needed but it should have been done by elections. I get that sometimes change by resolution is sometimes required but for me there has to be a justifiable reason for this, like financial irregularities etc, failure to grow the membership is not a justifiable reason, thats an election matter for me.

Ive always stated change should be through the proper channels imo.

If you didn't jump in two footed right at the start we might actually have new faces on the board by now.

*You are wrong to assume I'm part of the "gang" only one of the directors I can name is Laura and the first time I heard her speak was watching last year's contributors meeting on YouTube.
 
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EndOfDays said:
Craig Houston and Chris Graham were given salaried positions at Rangers by Dave King where they earned a lot of money for doing very little.

When King left these "jobs" were ended and they have both been bitter about losing their cushy numbers ever since.
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Robert Marshall said:
He did a lot to raise awareness and i always give him credit for that but he never bought a share, and without that we would probably be gone by now
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Shares or not, Craig raised his head above the parapet more than most.

To me, he became an unwitting figurehead. And by that I mean, he didn't set out to be a figure who then became a focal point. It was thrust upon him.
 
Snoopproddiedogg said:
How can we change things at board level when no one is willing to put themselves forward for election anymore? Look at the stick everyone involved has got since Stewart Robertson and his puppets tried to make a change. Who'd want to volunteer for that shit.

Elections the proper way should have been the correct course of action, always.
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Plenty stood up and put themselves forward
They are all now barred
 
Robert Marshall said:
None of us wanted to be involved, the four guys would have been perfect, and my role would have been to be a non-voting chairman while they sorted all the legalities out ( I know my limits )
I am too divisive to be in a fan group, or if you prefer too big in the mouth.
If I am asked a question, I would give an honest answer.
People always say they like honesty until you are being honest about them
To be clear I have never stood for an election for any fan group and I couldn't imagine any reason that I would want to change that.
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I listened to the guys that were going to be in place, they were interviewed on heart and hand and they talked well about the future ambitions, i thought it would be a shoo in for them but the same old faces are still there, how did this happen?
 
McCoist’sTinHat said:
Distribute them between the contributors? I’m sure there could be a deal done with Tifosy to manage them, similar to how they manage those bought in the share issue in 2021.
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Millions of shares. Different contributors having contributed different amounts so not an even split. Some with membership rolled over from RST. Potentially database of addresses out of date given many contributors how now stopped contributing. Some may even have passed away sadly. Where does the cost of carrying it out come from? Can see a whole load of pitfalls with that.
 
Robert Marshall said:
The RST and RF along with everyone who bought shares in Rangers and voted the old Board out were the ones that done a lot
The only reason we won is because we had more shares
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The RST disrupting Murray’s alleged attempt to sell the stadium on a lease back basis was maybe one of the positives of organised supporter representation. God knows what would have happened during administration if we no longer owned our most valuable asset. Could well have joined the likes of Gretna, Clydebank and Airdrie etc into the abyss of liquidation and like them no longer permitted to even use our historic club name.
 
Valley Bluenose said:
Millions of shares. Different contributors having contributed different amounts so not an even split. Some with membership rolled over from RST. Potentially database of addresses out of date given many contributors how now stopped contributing. Some may even have passed away sadly. Where does the cost of carrying it out come from? Can see a whole load of pitfalls with that.
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Also remember the shares donated to them by the RST and RF.
 
Beansie said:
Just found the full meeting is on Club1872 You Tube
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Interesting from the video that Craig Houston (who I liked) is no longer in a paid position with C1872, he has taken up another opportunity but still volunteering to help out.

Also interesting that Malcolm Murray had emailed in some questions towards the end of the video. He seems critical of both the C1872 board and the Rangers Board and wanted C1872 to campaign for a no vote against certain resolutions at the recent AGM.

I also think that it is really lazy, boring and frustrating for posters to call C1872 board members ‘blazer chasers’. It it clear that they, particularly Laura, have an adversarial relationship with the current board and are deliberately embarking on a path which will ensure they never get a blazer at Ibrox.

I thought Andy spoke well, basically politely suggesting to the C1872 board that it might be them who are holding the organisation back - I hope they take the message on board and do the right thing.
 
Valley Bluenose said:
Millions of shares. Different contributors having contributed different amounts so not an even split. Some with membership rolled over from RST. Potentially database of addresses out of date given many contributors how now stopped contributing. Some may even have passed away sadly. Where does the cost of carrying it out come from? Can see a whole load of pitfalls with that.
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It seems like you’re looking for problems rather than solutions.

If the RST records don’t exist anymore, then either split them evenly or take professional advice, I’m sure there are protocols in the Stockbroker world for situations like that, or the scenario of someone who has passed away.

For the c1872 shares, it should be easy enough to split them based on contribution records.

For the costs, use some contributions. There’s money coming into the company every month. There are more than 20M shares sat in c1872 - I’m sure Tifosy would jump at the chance to manage/trade these and make the commission and fees that are associated.

Obviously trying to find a workable solution and re-igniting the idea of fan ownership is the best scenario, but I’d rather deal with the pitfalls you’ve described, than the crater of having 5+ percent of the ownership of the club in complete disarray.
 
Brookfield Bear said:
Interesting from the video that Craig Houston (who I liked) is no longer in a paid position with C1872, he has taken up another opportunity but still volunteering to help out.

Also interesting that Malcolm Murray had emailed in some questions towards the end of the video. He seems critical of both the C1872 board and the Rangers Board and wanted C1872 to campaign for a no vote against certain resolutions at the recent AGM.

I also think that it is really lazy, boring and frustrating for posters to call C1872 board members ‘blazer chasers’. It it clear that they, particularly Laura, have an adversarial relationship with the current board and are deliberately embarking on a path which will ensure they never get a blazer at Ibrox.

I thought Andy spoke well, basically politely suggesting to the C1872 board that it might be them who are holding the organisation back - I hope they take the message on board and do the right thing.
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They wont do the right thing, this is their only chance in life to be in the limelight , they wont give that up.
 
McCoist’sTinHat said:
It seems like you’re looking for problems rather than solutions.

If the RST records don’t exist anymore, then either split them evenly or take professional advice, I’m sure there are protocols in the Stockbroker world for situations like that, or the scenario of someone who has passed away.

For the c1872 shares, it should be easy enough to split them based on contribution records.

For the costs, use some contributions. There’s money coming into the company every month. There are more than 20M shares sat in c1872 - I’m sure Tifosy would jump at the chance to manage/trade these and make the commission and fees that are associated.

Obviously trying to find a workable solution and re-igniting the idea of fan ownership is the best scenario, but I’d rather deal with the pitfalls you’ve described, than the crater of having 5+ percent of the ownership of the club in complete disarray.
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Not at all, I simply think that what you are suggesting is much more complex than you imagine. I believe the way ahead is a complete revamp/relaunch of Club1872 with new, trusted, personalities in charge who can reforge a relationship with the Club and, more importantly, regain credibility with the fanbase.

I’m under no illusions that that, too, is a huge task.
 
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should of be gone now 7 people only turn up now that shows no one cares anymore they should sell there shares, they should of kept ricki neil rangers first that would of got the 25 % turning out to be a big mistake to get rid of that and the rst , great speech by andy from heart & hand
 
Blu_ultra said:
Does anyone still think it’s a good idea to have fan representation on the board? It’s been nothing short of a complete embarrassment for the best part of a decade, and I say that as someone who used to think it was a good idea. Far too many egos and agendas.
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Spot on just look at this place and others online at times
 
I see this meeting titled an AGM.
Surely 7 plus 4 at the top table ie 11, doesn’t constitute a quorum in an organisation with hundreds of participants.
 
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