Official Rangers win case over tickets with SPFL - but authorities refuse to issue compliance edict to Celtic

[Govan36]

Daylate Record tomorrow with a 10 pager including the names and addresses of all away fans who have been injured at Ibrox. Aye Right.

Is the SPFL waiting for Lawell to write it before issuing their statement on the sub committee decision.

Obviously the Celtc statement hasn't refuted this claim,
'The Sub-Committee was unable to determine this reasonable number due to the fact that the other party had not submitted enough evidence on this issue, despite having ample opportunity to do so in the weeks and months leading up to the hearing.'

 

[BrooklynBlue]

7,500 was always a gentleman’s agreement. It was never written in stone. The next stage is a % agreement minimum in the rulling. Then there is no way we are legally obliged to offer more than that. So your point is nonsense.

Legal? Rules? Ah, you mean like today’s decision…

It’s laughable that people still believe in the authorities to govern properly and for Celtic to behave in manner that benefits anyone but themselves.

It’s also odd how welcome others are to believe the above in order to justify their ticket to Parkhead.

 

[rangeral]

You can absolutely see it happening that the scenario is thrown up in the same season its ruled they can choose not to allocate any tickets for away fans at league games.

Certainly would interesting if we drawn with them home or away how pans out

Previously it was just the then League allocation

 

[Novichok]

So basically fat Rod knew we had them bang to rights and he's concocted this latest BS to get them off the hook.

 

[Govan36]

Safety concerns ? As far as I am aware Ibrox has met all the safety precautions demanded by GC who issue safety certificates and the footballing regulatory bodies and presumably Police Scotland and the Safety Officers' Association Scotland who are drawing up a plan concerning the use of pyro at matches.

 

[jweebear]

Fine, another court case we'll win, if the SPFL won't or can't uphold their own rules then the games up for everyone.

 

[Broxmeister]

As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, if refusing to abide by the rules means you don't get punished then we should refuse to give the required notice to leave the SPFL (2 seasons I think) and apply for the English league immediately.

 

[Todd The Prod]

And yet the SPFL board were more than happy to intervene in this dispute over away tickets

Further Queen’s Park Ticket Update - Dundee Football Club - Official Website

Dundee FC is very pleased to announce that, following representations made by the Club, the SPFL Board has determined that Queen’s Park FC is required to at least double our original ticket allocation for next Friday’s fixture at Ochilview to a minimum of 1,000. Whilst this is still considerably...

dundeefc.co.uk

So what’s the difference here then? Oh yeah, the scum.

Fucking arseholes, I hope their shit tip burns to the ground.

 

[Blues and Royals]

That should be the end of them getting any tickets for Ibrox.

100 per cent this.

 

[Govan36]

Celtic have released an official statement

Celtic Football Club statement

Welcome to the official Celtic Football Club website featuring latest Celtic FC news, fixtures and results, ticket info, player profiles, hospitality, shop and more.

www.celticfc.com

Given the recent serious safety and matchday issues which our fans have experienced at fixtures at Ibrox and Celtic Park, Celtic's position on this matter has been very clear.

Celtic welcomes the opportunity to seek to resolve these important issues, and it was a hearing for which the Club was very well-prepared.

We are pleased that the sub-committee recognised the importance of safety and matchday experience issues in considering the question of a reasonable allocation for both fixtures.

While respecting the ongoing process, Celtic stands by its decision not to allocate any tickets for away supporters for the match on December 30th.

Celtic will continue to focus on the importance of safety and matchday experience issues as we look to address reasonable allocations at Celtic Park and Ibrox from next year, in a responsible manner.

"the Club was very well-prepared." It's not as if "the Club" has lied before. Well prepared ? And that statement does not detail specific safety incidents.


( I know that in saying "the Club" lied it is not grammatically correct and it should be Club members attending the meeting were "well-prepared" but that's the level of education applied to the statement )

 

[TerryMunro]

“Going forward, we have also agreed to commission an independent review of governance to help ensure the SPFL can avoid any such dispute in the future. This review will commence in October 2023.” Murdoch MacLennan

They haven’t been able to conclude this review and they are allowing a club to single our fans out as troublemakers to allow said club not to have to adhere with their own rules.

 

[Govan36]

So what’s the difference here then? Oh yeah, the scum.

Fucking arseholes, I hope their shit tip burns to the ground.

What's the difference ? The members of the sub committee ( whoever they may be, what happened to openess and transparency ) collectively shat it.

 

[Turrabear]

A coupe of idiots in our support threw things at them, which gave them the opportunity to claim ‘it was dangerous’

No mention of a lot of idiots in the celtic end throwing things at us.or have they conveniently forgotten that.

 

[AnglianBear]

They should be deducted points for this.

They are scared shitless of us having fans at the Glitterdome and trying to use every advantage possible to take points of us.

Savco really are the scum of the earth.

 

[Govan36]

Let's have another of those 'Independent Enquiries' that the SPFL and SFA seem to be keen on burying the results of.

 

[VMS]

I would worry about our fans safety if we beat them on the 30th,they are out of fcking control at the moment

 

[Govan36]

Are St Johnstone fans coming to Ibrox tomorrow night, they must be shitting themselves about the security and safety concerns.

 

[giogaddi]

They will never be happy unless they have the full Broomloan back. To give them a European allocation will only lead to more shouts of supporters not feeling safe and a push for a bigger allocation.

The way they are acting they deserve to be told 800 is the max your getting. To give them anything more than that is backing down and showing them that we are happy to allow them to break the rules & will even reward them for doing it by giving them more tickets.

Spot on.

The way they've behaved here means they should be told it's 800 or 0. No room for compromise now.

 

[Govan36]

Was the Celtc board concerned for the safety of its members on Saturday when it got a bit heated around the directors box ?

 

[noucamp72]

The governing body being trampled all over by a member club and are terrified to do anything about it.

They've probably been in dialogue all day as to how they can get around this without upsetting celtic.

 

[Stuhercules]

A lot of people making a lot of excellent points but if I may I'd like to simplify the situation. They are utter fkn scum and as usual ruin it for everyone.

 

[Govan36]

I watched the STV news at Six and Ronnie Charters was reporting on this from outside Parkhead - outside Parkhead, no game on tonight there is there ?

I'm sure he said Celtc issued their own statement in response to the Rangers statement and he went on to say that Celtc said this was not the case or he might have said "not true" ( Rangers claim that the sub committee agreed with Rangers )

When you read their statement it did not say it was "not the case" nor did it say it was "untrue". SMSM media again.

 

[Gers55]

Was the Celtc board concerned for the safety of its members on Saturday when it got a bit heated around the directors box ?

So concerned by the behaviour of their own support they had to be escorted from the stadium for their own safety.

Also only 1 club has safety issues caused by their own support that has led to them having to ban them from home & away games.

When they are citing 'safety concerns' it should actually be the safety of our fans that's the concern, not theirs.

 

[Govan36]

I'm pretty sure the Rangers statement about them not providing evidence would be because the sub committee would have asked right at the outset "show us the evidence that Celtc fans had serious safety and matchday experience issues".

After all there seemed to be months leading up to the hearing for Celtc to get the GB paper and crayons to colour in complaints.

Matchday experience issues ? Was this to do with matchday catering ? Think about what the home fans had to put up with all season.

"The Sub-Committee was unable to determine this reasonable number due to the fact that the other party had not submitted enough evidence on this issue, despite having ample opportunity to do so in the weeks and months leading up to the hearing."

 

[Mearns Bluenose]

I’m completely against going back to the previous full allocations, but the 800 is not workable long term. We offered them tickets which they refused, so this review should have forced them to offer us tickets for the next Old Firm. It’s now a stalemate due to the SPFL not being fit for purpose.

My preference would be similar to when some European teams visit Ibrox as below:

https://x.com/awaydays_/status/1496937078566924288?s=46&t=L6_sJTqf8pJURqRh_lrBag

 

[Mr. T.]

An utter disgrace. Rangers are far too soft as usual. Should have come out properly swinging and calling it out for what it is. There is no way Celtic should be able to sell that away corner after this ruling

In what way are Rangers being ‘too soft’`?

 

[Cavin]

I’m completely against going back to the previous full allocations, but the 800 is not workable long term. We offered them tickets which they refused, so this review should have forced them to offer us tickets for the next Old Firm. It’s now a stalemate due to the SPFL not being fit for purpose.

My preference would be similar to when some European teams visit Ibrox as below:

https://x.com/awaydays_/status/1496937078566924288?s=46&t=L6_sJTqf8pJURqRh_lrBag

Zero is a good compromise, they get feck all and they've got nowt to complain about.

 

[si72]

We should reciprocate the Zero allocation for future games against the filth.Quite simple really.

 

[Alvarez]

Was always going to happen. The league is too scared of Celtic to force them to comply.

exactly, we should have pushed weekly for compliance.

Instead the rulebook will be re-written

 

[A Magician Named Gob]

We should reciprocate the Zero allocation for future games against the filth.Quite simple really.

Makes the prospect of meeting them in a 50/50 cup semi final or final more interesting after watering it down with 40 games a season. Anyone who wants them back in should be the ones to give up their tickets for it.

 

[Boabmeister]

A points deduction would be my solution ,

if the piggery can’t safely accommodate away fans then I’d look at whether said piggery would be deserving of a safety certificate for the current amount.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Feel sorry for the club here, they tried to open the rest of Scottish footballs eyes to the utter ineptitude of those running the game up here by essentially pointing out that the game is ran defacto by C****c but they were more consumed by their disdain for Rangers than they were about doing the right thing.

It then leads to crap like this were that lot can openly contravene the rules knowing fine well f-all will get done about it.

Lets hope this doesn't set a precedent for other bitter clubs to just pull out allocations on a whim. Imagine post split if we had an opportunity to go to Pittodrie or Easter Road to secure the title and they pull our allocation on 'safety' grounds. Can anyone here honestly say they couldn't see this happening now.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Feel sorry for the club here, they tried to open the rest of Scottish footballs eyes to the utter ineptitude of those running the game up here by essentially pointing out that the game is ran defacto by C****c but they were more consumed by their disdain for Rangers than they were about doing the right thing.

It then leads to crap like this were that lot can openly contravene the rules knowing fine well f-all will get done about it.

Lets hope this doesn't set a precedent for other bitter clubs to just pull out allocations on a whim. Imagine post split if we had an opportunity to go to Pittodrie or Easter Road to secure the title and they pull our allocation on 'safety' grounds. Can anyone here honestly say they couldn't see this happening now.

Since their tinpot supports can't fill their own grounds, this won't happen.

They'll take the money.

 

[rossgers]

Watch the media blame this whole thing on Rangers.
Celtic will not stop until they get what they want here. They will figure out a sleekit way to do it.

The SPFL (celtic) and the media will continue to pillory Rangers for anything and everything.All Rangers have to do is stand our ground, indeed fight back against this pondlife. Give nothing away.

 

[Cavin]

Since their tinpot supports can't fill their own grounds, this won't happen.

They'll take the money.

If that were the case there wouldn't be an empty seat at any Rangers game.
Have a look at the empty stands in 90% of our away games!

 

[blue genes]

Yes but, it’s all part of the conspiracy against Celtic.
Where every decision goes against them and no further action is taken against them because, well, they’ve found a way to not force them to comply.

Safety concerns for their fans at THEIR ground ? All 59,300 of them vs our 700 corralled in hours before the ko?

Their "safety" excuse is the flimsiest deflective smoke screen I've ever heard.

 

[rossgers]

I would worry about our fans safety if we beat them on the 30th,they are out of fcking control at the moment

I'd worry about the safety of our players and staff.

 

[bluetonic]

What's the point of the SPFL having rules and committees when they just let Celtic break those rules whenever they want.

There is no point, like all those committees in Holyrood not fit for purpose.

 

[Bluenote]

Dont forget pies, hot bovril, half bottles and nails. Shower of filth. Nothing changes.

Aye, all of that too.

 

[rossgers]

The governing body being trampled all over by a member club and are terrified to do anything about it.

They've probably been in dialogue all day as to how they can get around this without upsetting celtic.

Noucamp you are assuming these decisions aren't being made by, or following consultation with them.

 

[Hurlfordbear]

Watch the media blame this whole thing on Rangers.
Celtic will not stop until they get what they want here. They will figure out a sleekit way to do it.

I only hope our board ask our fans what happens next with regards to away fans. At the end of the day if we need to allow fans in from other clubs it surely can’t be at the expense of our fans.

Celtic have wrecked Scottish football, they have wrecked this game for away fans and are now using the puppets they have to spread their propaganda.

 

[gmbear]

Once again, Celtic FC plc think they can bypass the rules because the rules don't suit them or further their own agenda.

Reverse the roles here and the SPFL would be applying sanctions on the club failing to comply.

Celtic FC plc are poison.


Edit: fat fingers and spelling mistakes.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I broadly agree with what you say however tit for tat involves two opposing protagonists.
There's only one side manipulating here.
If possible Id like to see a legal challenge where evidence is called that can be put under objective scrutiny.
At present celtic are being allowed to produce empty soundbites to justify their manipulations.

the tit for tat was more in terms of them basically spitting the dummy out due to Rangers not giving them the Broomloan which I 100% agree with but they clearly view as petty on our part. You are absolutely correct they are absolutely manipulating now to suit their own agenda.

 

[ChernoSamba]

Rangers have the chance to put the full thing to bed once and for all now. Since they’ve decided that they no longer wish for away fans to attend these fixtures then we won’t be offering them any tickets going forward. Kills the full thing stone dead and we can all get on with life.

 

[Trafalgar]

So what’s the difference here then? Oh yeah, the scum.

Fucking arseholes, I hope their shit tip burns to the ground.

Rangers should be using lawyers to make these representations and if the SPFL don't act on their own rules take them to CAS

 

[Traveller]

Once again, Celtic FC plc think they can bypass the rukles because the rukes don't suit them or further their own agenda.

Reverse the roles here and the SPFL would be applying sanctions on the club failing to comply.

Celtic FC plc are poison.

Even the narrative from the media would be scathing towards us

None of them are even bothering to mention that Celtic are even in the wrong here and found so by the SPFL committee

It’s astonishing to me

 

[Blue Goose]

This is a dance. They want 2500. We will get 3k. The 5%. Anyone thinking that this wasn't the end game isn't watching or listening. Both clubs will agree to this amount. Personally, I don't want them anywhere near Ibrox.

 

[ChernoSamba]

This is a dance. They want 2500. We will get 3k. The 5%. Anyone thinking that this wasn't the end game isn't watching or listening. Both clubs will agree to this amount. Personally, I don't want them anywhere near Ibrox.

I don’t think they want 2500 mate. They want the full Broomloan or nothing.

 

[Craigton]

One other thing.
They are being devious khunts here!
If us and other clubs turn around and say, well it's ok for celtic to do it so we are not giving tickets to away fans, the SPFL will get involved and create a "compromise". One which will suit the Tims and will include an increased percentage. And we will be railroaded into accepting.
Rangers need to be very careful here how they deal with this situation.

 

[Cavin]

One other thing.
They are being devious khunts here!
If us and other clubs turn around and say, well it's ok for celtic to do it so we are not giving tickets to away fans, the SPFL will get involved and create a "compromise". One which will suit the Tims and will include an increased percentage. And we will be railroaded into accepting.
Rangers need to be very careful here how they deal with this situation.

That would be a dream scenario for us, tell them to "ram it", let the legal stuff begin!