Sir Know it All
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Arfield wasn't poor against RB Leipzig in the semi
Can you talk me through his performance v them?
Arfield wasn't poor against RB Leipzig in the semi
This thread illustrates that for many on FF their default position is ‘the club is wrong’, irrespective of what the decision actually is.
Our 3rd choice keeper who would - at best - have been 2nd choice, although many want a new keeper with McLaughlin as back-up, is apparently leaving and suddenly the club lacks direction, focus and planning.
Does anyone want Colin Stewart replaced?
So if you have a 21 year old poor or average standard GK you keep him and ditch the hall of fame multiple trophy winning POTY two seasons ago multi capped GK just because he’s older?Exactly this.
McGregor should've not been renewed at the expense of young talent.
Horrifically backward concept.
So if you have a 21 year old poor or average standard GK you keep him and ditch the hall of fame multiple trophy winning POTY two seasons ago multi capped GK just because he’s older?
Madness. McLaughlin will be our number 1 next season and McGregor will be our number 2 and fantastic cover and will play the cup ties.
LOL. I love that you’re just refusing to acknowledge the facts (and corrections) provided to you in favour of repeating the exact same spiel even though the reality of McGregor’s early career contradicts your own stance and reasoning here. And still implying that myself and others are simpletons, although somewhat ironically, choosing to ignore what I’ve put to you is doing more to vindicate me and make you look like what you’re accusing others of being.Our previous 2 managers haven't seen enough of McCrorie, a player they see every single day, to trust him to even be our back up. That's 2 different managers over 4 years and both don't think Robbie McCrorie is good enough to be Rangers number 2 at 24 years of age.
It is that simple. You don't understand that then you are a simpleton.
Considering McGregor will be the number 1 and McCrorie would only have been back up, and considering McGregor is at an age where his regression will be significant with each passing year, and given that we already saw that regression last season when he made a plethora of costly, title defining gaffs - then yes I would. McCrorie would likely only be required to step in on the odd occasion and when he did so last season he did alright in what was quite a big game too.You'd keep a player just because of his age and not his ability?
That's mental.
LOL. I love that you’re just refusing to acknowledge the facts (and corrections) provided to you in favour of repeating the exact same spiel even though the reality of McGregor’s early career contradicts your own stance and reasoning here. And still implying that myself and others are simpletons, although somewhat ironically, choosing to ignore what I’ve put to you is doing more to vindicate me and make you look like what you’re accusing others of being.
The issue for me is McGregor staying, not McCrorie leaving. I probably won't batter an eyelid should McCrorie leave because I've not seen enough of him.
I wanted a new number 1, McLaughlin back up and a number 3 could have been plucked from within our academy or a cheap third choice punt.
Same back 5 as last season (bar Souttar - that and Helander is a glaring issue for me too given their injury history) - simple balls into our box landing in the back of our net time and time again. Keeper not prepared to come for crossed balls/commanding his area and distribution from the back floating out of the park/surrendering possession. McGregor's distribution in games can be mid 30's for long balls, low 50's for overall accurate passes. For a team who play from the back, thats appalling. His shot stoping and overall positioning isn't what it was either. The panic in tight games and conceding last minute set pieces.
Considering McGregor will be the number 1 and McCrorie would only have been back up, and considering McGregor is at an age where his regression will be significant with each passing year, and given that we already saw that regression last season when he made a plethora of costly, title defining gaffs - then yes I would. McCrorie would likely only be required to step in on the odd occasion and when he did so last season he did alright in what was quite a big game too.
Absolutely spot on.Can't really blame him. He never got another chance after a solid Old Firm game last year, and he should be going into this season competing with McLaughlin rather than being number three again.
“Big Eck signing Wattereus when Klos was injured (instead of using McGregor), and later loaning McGregor to a couple of first division sides shows he was trusted to be a back up even though he can’t be back up when he’s with these first division teams and not at Ibrox”.Yeah man, vindication and all that.
My preference would’ve been McGregor thanks and goodbye with JM/RMc battling it for no1 from an equal starting point.Considering McGregor will be the number 1 and McCrorie would only have been back up, and considering McGregor is at an age where his regression will be significant with each passing year, and given that we already saw that regression last season when he made a plethora of costly, title defining gaffs - then yes I would. McCrorie would likely only be required to step in on the odd occasion and when he did so last season he did alright in what was quite a big game too.
So you think Gio and Colin Stewart are simpletons?
You can throw Martindale into the hat too, as he dropped him at Livingston, after a run of poor performances.
You're only as good as your last season in football, the merits and accolades of the years gone by aren't applicable.
McGregor's last season was horrific, such is the point that we're all now speaking of him being number two, a back up.
I'm sure McCrorie was more than capable of that cover.
As no.2 he’d have got the cup gamesSo he was never going to play anyway ?
Judging by the outpouring on here we're losing the next Dino Zoff by the sounds of it.
The only thing I’m really sure of is that McGregor should have ended it here and we should have been looking to the future and replenishing our squad. McCrorie was never likely to be first pick, but of course that’s not the point.My preference would’ve been McGregor thanks and goodbye with JM/RMc battling it for no1 from an equal starting point.
Considering McGregor will be the number 1 and McCrorie would only have been back up, and considering McGregor is at an age where his regression will be significant with each passing year, and given that we already saw that regression last season when he made a plethora of costly, title defining gaffs - then yes I would. McCrorie would likely only be required to step in on the odd occasion and when he did so last season he did alright in what was quite a big game too.
As no.2 he’d have got the cup games
I’m not stating he was going to be no.1. But there’s absolutely no logical reasoning behind retaining a 40 year old who was awful last season, over a 24 year old that may well become good enough in the coming year or two for us
McGregor as a number 2 is bonkers given he won’t be match sharp therefore his performances if called upon will be even worse than last season
The decision making doesn’t make sense
what player in our team isnt guilty of this, in fact probably every player in the world is guilty of this at times. Mental.Arfield wasn't poor against celtic at Hampden, RB Leipzig in the semi and Eintracht in the final. Anything but in fact.
Watch them again, if you don't believe me.
These were big games against tough opposition, which is exactly when you're looking for your trusted players to stand up and be counted.
I think Lowry looks a fantastic talent and I'm a huge fan.
His finish at Tynecastle was outstanding, but he is guilty of dropping out of games and letting players run off him.
His defensive discipline still needs a bit of work.
That's probably why Gio hasn't trusted him with a single minute in a big game yet, while he's introduced Arfield and seen him make a big difference.
Arfield will only take minutes off Lowry if he's the better option of the 2.
He was at the end of last season, but that may well change this coming season, if Lowry keeps progressing, as we all hope and think he will.
Im not calling anyone a simpleton.
Im questioning the need to re-sign a keeper that is 40 years old. Do you honestly think that Gio and Colin were happy that without his mistakes in the league we’d have won 56? The only reason he wasnt dropped was purely for sentimental reasons.
If the staff think that McCrorie isnt good enough or never will be then they’re quite right to show him the door.
My main point is 40 year old keeper with mistakes creeping into his game with a major weakness for commanding his area is asking for trouble in league.
Yeah but back in the real world he actually did. No idea why you’re determined to argue against reality in favour of pretending that it never happened. The last time I had this discussion it was a chore trying to remember each of the gaffs and goals that resulted from his refusal to come for cross balls. We’re not talking about 1 or 2 slip ups after all.He did not make a 'plethora' of mistakes ffs.
& neither was he 'awful'..
The hyperbole in this place right now is embarrassing.
For all the good things Shagger has done for us, he’s potentially damaged our future GK prospects by staying too long.
what player in our team isnt guilty of this, in fact probably every player in the world is guilty of this at times. Mental.
I’d say being at fault for dropping a minimum of 10 league points due to blatant individual errors is cause for stating he was awful.He did not make a 'plethora' of mistakes ffs.
& neither was he 'awful'..
The hyperbole in this place right now is embarrassing.
Isn't this the managers decision ?
It's not Ross Wilson, it's not the board, it's not McGregor, it's Gio's call
Yes because a young goalkeeper can have a future at the club a 40 year who’s already in decline doesn’t. I’d much rather persist with McCrorie than McGregor.So if you have a 21 year old poor or average standard GK you keep him and ditch the hall of fame multiple trophy winning POTY two seasons ago multi capped GK just because he’s older?
Madness. McLaughlin will be our number 1 next season and McGregor will be our number 2 and fantastic cover and will play the cup ties.
He’s played over 90 games of senior football already. It looks like it has a lot to do with McGregors deal tbh.This has very little to do with McGregor’s deal.
He’s what 24 and is thought of as if he was still 18?
He needs to for the first time in his career get a run of games and play well before he’s 25 with limited appearances like Jack Simpson.
There's a huge difference between a goalkeeper at 24 who has more than 100 senior appearances and a centre back aged 25 with 48.This has very little to do with McGregor’s deal.
He’s what 24 and is thought of as if he was still 18?
He needs to for the first time in his career get a run of games and play well before he’s 25 with limited appearances like Jack Simpson.
The hyperbole comes from those who defend his mistakes and state every save he makes as world class. He was very poor last season and he gets defended in a way no other player would.He did not make a 'plethora' of mistakes ffs.
& neither was he 'awful'..
The hyperbole in this place right now is embarrassing.
Exactly it should be mclaughlin with mccrorrie pushing him and maybe be one of the cup keepers with shagger as the one in case of an emergencyWrong decision to keep McGregor. McCrorie should be stepping up to number 2 this year.
I have not seen one single person say every save he makes is world class..The hyperbole come from those who defend his mistakes and state every save he makes as world class. He was very poor last season and be gets defended in a way no other player would.
Arfield wasn't poor against celtic at Hampden, RB Leipzig in the semi and Eintracht in the final. Anything but in fact.
Watch them again, if you don't believe me.
These were big games against tough opposition, which is exactly when you're looking for your trusted players to stand up and be counted.
I think Lowry looks a fantastic talent and I'm a huge fan.
His finish at Tynecastle was outstanding, but he is guilty of dropping out of games and letting players run off him.
His defensive discipline still needs a bit of work.
That's probably why Gio hasn't trusted him with a single minute in a big game yet, while he's introduced Arfield and seen him make a big difference.
Arfield will only take minutes off Lowry if he's the better option of the 2.
He was at the end of last season, but that may well change this coming season, if Lowry keeps progressing, as we all hope and think he will.
You've named 3 games of which he came on as a sub.Arfield wasn't poor against celtic at Hampden, RB Leipzig in the semi and Eintracht in the final. Anything but in fact.
Watch them again, if you don't believe me.
These were big games against tough opposition, which is exactly when you're looking for your trusted players to stand up and be counted.
I think Lowry looks a fantastic talent and I'm a huge fan.
His finish at Tynecastle was outstanding, but he is guilty of dropping out of games and letting players run off him.
His defensive discipline still needs a bit of work.
That's probably why Gio hasn't trusted him with a single minute in a big game yet, while he's introduced Arfield and seen him make a big difference.
Arfield will only take minutes off Lowry if he's the better option of the 2.
He was at the end of last season, but that may well change this coming season, if Lowry keeps progressing, as we all hope and think he will.
You're saying its McGregor's fault he was offered another contract and decided to accept?For all the good things Shagger has done for us, he’s potentially damaged our future GK prospects by staying too long.
We started to lose control of the game when he replaced Wright. Doesn't have the pace or legs for that level anymore and it showed.Can you talk me through his performance v them?
Regardless of ability? That’s crazy surely mate.Yes because a young goalkeeper can have a future at the club a 40 year who’s already in decline doesn’t. I’d much rather persist with McCrorie than McGregor.
The last minute clanger at home to Hearts, the Ross County horror show (this really was a massive moment), parrying the ball straight to Rogic off an extremely tame effort which should have been comfortably dealt with, this more or less ended any slim chance of the title. Being easily beaten at the piggery prior to that (sorry but he was poor at that Hatate goal) and again failing to come for crosses (think it’s was their 3rd goal, I’ve tried to erase that game from my memory tbh), he didn’t cover himself in glory at home to Motherwell either, I mean the whole defence was dreadful but McGregor didn’t come out of it looking good either.I’d say being at fault for dropping a minimum of 10 league points due to blatant individual errors is cause for stating he was awful.
Horrific? Did you watch any of our European run?You're only as good as your last season in football, the merits and accolades of the years gone by aren't applicable.
McGregor's last season was horrific, such is the point that we're all now speaking of him being number two, a back up.
I'm sure McCrorie was more than capable of that cover.
You've named 3 games of which he came on as a sub.
For every game he played well in, I can name 2 he didn't contribute.
6 goals 0 assists from 41 appearances last seaon.. along with too many abject performances in general.
He hasn't earned a new contract at all.
Based on the ability and the age of the two I’d much rather have McCrorie kept than McGregorRegardless of ability? That’s crazy surely mate.
We started to lose control of the game when he replaced Wright. Doesn't have the pace or legs for that level anymore and it showed.